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kryogen1c 8 hours ago

Maybe im not in the target audience, but i had to look up what mogging is because its not explained anywhere

TrackerFF 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's incel-speak for dominating someone.

"IQ-mogged" would mean that person A was dominated/overshadowed/etc. by person B because person B is very smart.

"Height-mogged" would mean the same, but due to height.

elicash 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That I, an old person, know what it means suggests that it has already gone from (1) the incel or whatever community usage, to (2) ironic usage by others, and then finally to (3) widespread usage entirely divorced from the original meaning.

Ancapistani an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Not to pry, but how old is “old”?

I’m 42, and definitely don’t feel old yet - at least, my mind doesn’t feel old. My body is beginning to show me what’s it going to be like.

I don’t think my generation is nearly as out of touch with youth and niche culture as our parents were. While there are definitely examples of slang that surprise me and for which I’ve not quite nailed down the colloquial usage, it’s extremely rare that I can’t infer the meaning from context.

For that matter, I’ve adopted some of it where it makes sense. “-maxxing” is handy, and conveys more than “optimize for”; I might say I’m “tokenmaxxing” when I’m talking about intentionally using more costly inference than necessary because I’m not the one paying for it and the time necessary to optimize utilization isn’t worth it to me as a result. Basically implicitly recognizing that what I’m doing is ridiculous when viewed from the outside.

The only slang I can think of that I’ve not fully understood is “type shit”. I get that it usually used as an affirmation of someone else’s statement - but not always. I think its exact semantics are likely still in flux, because I’ve heard it used to mean all kinds of unrelated things depending on tone.

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Thinking about this, I wonder if it’s not a continuation of the same processes that lead to the disappearance of many regional accents. That’s generally accepted to be happening, and caused by the rise of mass media (radio, TV, Internet).

Maybe the Internet (social media in particular) has lumped everyone together in one giant community, and as a result slang no longer has time to solidly meaning in a niche group before reaching the general public.

LorenDB 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

I'm guessing most people think that "old" is 10-20 years ahead of them, regardless of their age. So someone in their 20s thinks 40 is old, while someone in their 40s thinks 50 is old. Or something like that.

Blahah 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nah you just know a young person or have found your way into an incel information stream. It doesn't mean you represent a large population.

elicash 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Then we're in (2) and I'm hip and ahead of the curve!

alphawhisky 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nah it kept it's meaning, just spread more. If anything, the level of abstraction grew. "Mogged' used to be a standalone phrase, but now it's always "___mogged".

Ancapistani 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Before “mogged” was a standalone phrase, it was apparently “AMOG” - “Alpha Male of the Group”.

I don’t remember knowing that before this conversation. I asked Claude for the history of the term, then for primary sources, and manually put the below together to show a history of the term over time:

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Stage 1: “AMOG” == “Alpha male of the group”.

> she is not yet into you and a AMOG upsurps you

September 2003

https://web.archive.org/web/20231203102826/http://www.fastse...

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Stage 2: “amogged” ~= “dominated”

> He will never AMOG you agian.

August 2005

https://web.archive.org/web/20240719094244/http://www.fastse...

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Stage 3: “mogged” (transition to a word without the context of the original initialism)

> Once thought invincible the mightly 6'8" 330 pound Martyn Ford is easily mogged upon

May 2016

https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/37236240/

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Stage 4: “-mog” (noun), “-mogging” (verb)

> he heightmogs hard

December 2020

https://looksmax.org/threads/why-are-height-mogs-not-as-brut...

elicash 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe I phrased it poorly, but I just mean the context for it changed as it became mainstream. I wouldn't say it's still "incel-speak."

chrisweekly 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

not just "incel" culture, at least not any more

mcmcmc 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Yep thanks to the man-o-sphere incel culture has become mainstream for young men and boys

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imzadi 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's an interesting Behind the Bastards podcast about the rise of incel culture and its push into mainstream. It's called "From Elliot Rodger to Clavicular." They talk about the language of incels and how their vocabulary tends to end up in the mainstream at a surprising rate compared to other fringe cultures. "Mogging" is one of those terms that comes from incels.

alphawhisky 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My theory is that these people are the stewards of internet culture. Moderators, meme creators, leaders of niche online communities. Therefore the jokes they make spread a lot more easily due to exposure.

imzadi 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I think part of it is that people use it ironically to make fun of incel culture but then it gets absorbed into our language unironically. Similar to how AAVE ends up in mainstream language because non-Black people use it ironically (more to make fun of themselves), but then it ends up becoming an everyday part of the language.

ModernMech 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Damn I read that kid's manifesto, he was very messed up. It's crazy that there's a throughline from him to today. He should have been the wakeup call.

throwaway902152 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Classic mogging: https://www.youtube.com/@jacob_rees_mogg

rsynnott 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Although I have the misfortune of knowing what it means, every time I see it some part of my brain assumes it's something to do with cats (via British slang).

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rout39574 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The know your meme page on it is extensive. My distillation is:

Mogging is behaving as though you expect everyone is going to think you're great because of how you look; in particular that you think you look better than someone right next to you.

Cthulhu_ 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What I gathered is that "mog" is from "amog" which means "alpha male of the group", which makes "mogging" being "out-alpha'd". Which isn't new, it goes back years if not decades to the "alpha male" trends through "pick-up artists" to modern-day incel/bro/manosphere/etc subcultures.

I know the author from about ten years ago and I'm not surprised he's into it. But also he's Dutch so it's probably used very much ironically / as a joke here.

nailer 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I only heard of it due to a memecoin, and people trying to promote the memecoin using the ‘point at you, laughing cat’ emoji combo.

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