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SwellJoe 8 hours ago

"OpenWarp is a community fork of Warp's open-source code. It is not affiliated with Warp Inc. and follows the upstream AGPL / MIT dual license."

It is rude, and possibly a trademark violation, to fork a project and use the same name. And, how can there be a "community fork" when there is no community? It's just been Open Sourced 24 hours ago.

blitzar 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I would like to introduce my new venture, OpenOpenAi.

bestouff 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Warp is already an Alacritty fork with no acknowledgement. I feel they deserve no respect for this.

see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47939527

scosman 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

But calling it OpenAlacritty would be worse, which is what happened here.

Hasnep 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree on the name, but to me the word community here is used to mean it's not run by a company.

SwellJoe 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Historically, it means a community of developers have decided to break with the old project for some reason. Jenkins is a community fork. Mariadb is a community fork. Joomla is a community fork. Illumos was a community fork. Rocky Linux is a community fork. Valkey is a community fork.

This is a personal project by someone with no connection to the project or its code. It is misleading to claim to represent the Warp "community". Maybe there will be a community around Warp someday, and maybe there will be a reason for community members to fork it, but for now, it is a newly open sourced project, and this is a person trying to build their own reputation on someone else's work.

Forks are a good and natural part of the Open Source and Free Software world. But, a good fork doesn't look anything like this. It involves stakeholders, it respects the work others have put into the project in the past, and it doesn't confuse users with a misleadingly similar name.

At the very least, you change the name when you fork something, if you have any decency or respect for Open Source and its historical mores. I wouldn't have said a word about it, if they'd changed the name, I would have ignored it (as I assume most people would have, if it didn't share a name with something people are already talking about). But, since they're coming out of the gate being an entitled jerk about software that folks have chosen to Open Source, I'm inclined to point out that they're not behaving ethically on multiple fronts.

skrtskrt 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Rocky Linux was a corporate fork with numerous dubious ethical decisions early on

SwellJoe 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation is a benefit corporation founded by the original founder of CentOS and other CentOS developers in response to CentOS becoming a stream OS instead of a stable OS.

You'll have to be specific about what dubious ethical decisions you mean. I'm unaware of any, and I feel like I'm pretty tuned into this specific story.

jauntywundrkind 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's ok to start new things with aspirations. Spare us such melodrama, such pedantry.

SwellJoe 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Yep, start a new thing with a new name. Go for it.

iamveen 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Domain Squatting 2.0

nothinkjustai 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not rude, not the same name.

Hasnep 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You probably can't name a project OpenWarp for the same reason you can't name a search engine OpenGoogle, even though it's a different name to the original. In this case, it's particularly confusing because the original warp project _is_ now open source.

kreelman 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I used Warp a bit on Windows. It looked promising, but didn't work quite as well as I would have liked. It's great that it's been open sourced.

Does anyone keep a DB somewhere of open source project names?

I think it would be better to give the code fork a different name.... And maybe move it off Github!!

BeetleB 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can't name something OpenGoogle, because the Google name is trademarked.

Is Warp trademarked?

illiac786 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is, and the discussion is about etiquette, not law.

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wahnfrieden 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unregistered_trademark

Even if it is not a registered trademark, it can be enforceable as a trademark due to common law

satvikpendem 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes it is, as another person has replied.

simplify 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Definitely rude, too close to the same name. Warp just recently open sourced their client, a [not community] personal fork should be more considerate.

victorbjorklund 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Try do create a game called ”Open Pokémon Go” and see if it works or not.

adamhartenz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is not the "open" version of Warp. Warp is already open. So the name is rude.

jrm4 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In no universe is this rude. That's ridiculous.

Warp made heavy use of open source itself, and then realized that even more open was the only good way to make this work.

They should be grateful. This is the entire point of free and open source software. (even if this isn't 'free' licensed, it's still a good thing)

selcuka 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is about the name, not the source.

Also calling a fork "Open" is disingenious. They wouldn't be able to fork it if the original wasn't "open".

skeledrew 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> even if this isn't 'free' licensed

What part of it isn't "free"?

BeetleB 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Definitely disagree about rudeness.

Only a trademark violation if a trademark has been registered. IANAL.

SwellJoe 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

One can claim a trademark without registering it (the difference between ™ and ®). But, if one wanted to sue, you'd probably register it first. But, a claimed trademark that is suitably unique for your product is defensible if you can prove consistent usage pre-dating the new user of that mark.

I'd be pissed if someone took one of my open source projects, forked it, and also stole the name (and put "Open" in front, despite the fact that the thing they forked is Open Source), misleading users and diluting the brand with software I have no control over.

I don't even know what Warp is, but I'm mad as hell about it. As an Open Source developer of 30 years, I expect people to operate with something like honor and decency and respect for other people. Taking someone's open project and launching a competing fork with the same name is hugely disrespectful and dishonorable behavior.

selcuka 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

https://uspto.report/TM/90342558

> WARP® trademark registration is intended to cover the categories of [...] Downloadable computer terminal emulator program [...]

ai_slop_hater 7 hours ago | parent [-]

How were they able to register it? So many other things are named Warp, for example Cloudflare Warp.

selcuka 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Cloudflare Warp is also trademarked: https://uspto.report/TM/88455403

They are the same class (Class 009, software and electronic goods) but apparently the trademark examiner determined that a terminal app and VPN/security software are distinct enough not to cause a confusion.

ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Here are some links to the official website of the actual United States Patent and Trademark Office, commonly and distinctly abbreviated "USPTO", whose domain name is duly registered at uspto.gov

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/90342560

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/90342558

https://tmsearch.uspto.gov/search/search-results/88455403

Search for "wordmark" "warp", filter for currently live and 009, shows 44 results.

A search for "openwarp" yields 0 results, none dead, none historical; nowhere in the system is this unique name registered.

A banner at top-of-page offers various pointers for consumers on how to discern official US Gov websites from imposters, domain squatters, and name-stealers

illiac786 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Mixing etiquette and copyright.

It is not only rude but also misleading and frankly, stupid.