For all of the Apple hate recently (with glass + MacOS bugs) - it's still great to be able to invest in high quality hardware. I made the switch to Mac, oh about 12 yrs ago, and sometimes forget how spoilt we are with really tight hardware + software integration.

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amelius 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The hardware is great, but it has been crippled by the software. That still makes it a bad product, imho.

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leptons 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Apple hardware isn't exceptional, it's maybe slightly above average, sometimes, and still costs more than it should - even the neo with its paltry 8GB of RAM. Apple has had plenty of hardware problems and design foibles. So many.

Their software is equally average in most respects, and has a far smaller market share worldwide across all form factors they support.

iOS is the reason I'll never own another iPad.

I mean, it's fine that you like it, but "spoilt" seems like an exaggeration.

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ben8bit 9 hours ago | parent [-]

> Apple hardware isn't exceptional, it's maybe slightly above average

Is this a serious statement? If Apple's hardware is maybe slightly above average - what's above it? It's an easy company to hate on - but you don't have any other platform integrated as well as Apple's right now IMO. Unless you maybe count Huawei.

Edit: I think I may be referring more to the holistic picture. But still curious what hardware you think is better.

	▲	Marsymars 7 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Is this a serious statement? If Apple's hardware is maybe slightly above average - what's above it? The only hardware I can think of that's consistently higher-quality than Apple is niche stuff at a much higher price point. e.g. the Seneca keyboard, Sennheiser Orpheus headphones, etc.
	▲	enraged_camel 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Yeah, no way that is a serious statement. My Macbook Air from 2011 still works perfectly, and the original iPhone that I found stashed inside one of my dad's cabinets charged, turned on without issues and was fully usable as well. That's a device that's almost two decades old. If that's not hardware quality, I don't know what is.
	▲	surgical_fire 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		I am forced to use a MacBook for work and I think it is shit. I partucularly abhor its reflective screen and the toy keyboard. I hate that it has only 4 usbc ports that force me to have a dongle. I can't fathom why people like that crap apart from looking slick. Mac OS is shit, and I would unironically prefer to be forced to use Windows at work. Style over substance. Pure crap to me.