| ▲ | pjc50 8 hours ago |
| Maybe someone can explain, but I don't understand why such an order isn't applied to cloudflare themselves? |
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| ▲ | martin8412 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It was. La Liga isn’t satisfied with the response time of Cloudflare. Cloudflare would not commit to content being taken down during while the match is still going. La Liga wants to be able to point to a URL hosted by Cloudflare and demand it taken down that instant while the match is still on. It would require dedicated staff at Cloudflare to deal with La Liga stream takedowns. |
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| ▲ | dbbk 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Cloudflare said they created a dedicated hotline for LaLiga, and apparently it wasn't enough for them | |
| ▲ | pavon 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | More so, La Liga wants Cloudflare to take it down for the entire world, not just block it from Spanish IPs, regardless of whether the host resides in Spain. Cloudflare has refused to do so. |
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| ▲ | tshaddox 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Presumably the Cloudflare network resources in question were not located in Spain and thus not under Spanish jurisduction. Or even if they were, it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs. |
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| ▲ | embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > it may be procedurally simpler for the Spanish government to compel ISPs to block IPs. The Spanish government is not the ones enforcing the ban here. La Liga and Telefonica went to the judges, who are the ones making ISPs to enforce these blocks, as an intermediate "fix" essentially. | | |
| ▲ | TheCoelacanth 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | This appears to be using "government" in American English sense, where "government" refers to anyone who works for the state in any capacity, including courts, not just the executive. | |
| ▲ | tomnipotent 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > went to the judges Which are part of the Spanish government. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Which are part of the Spanish government. Judges in Spain are not part of the government ("Gobierno"). They are part of the Poder Judicial, the judiciary. The Spanish Constitution separates these clearly, give it a skim if you haven't already. | | |
| ▲ | tomnipotent 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | The judiciary is part of the government. Being an independent branch doesn't change that. Government doesn't just mean legislative. | | |
| ▲ | embedding-shape 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That's not what the constitution says though. "Government" ("Gobierno") is what an American would understand "executive branch" to be, I'm guessing this is why it's confusing. I tried to make it easier by adding the translations, but maybe that's just making it more confusing :) I guess broadly in English you'd say the judges are part of the state, but they're not a part of the Spanish Government. | | |
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| ▲ | nalaj 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's not how it works in Spain. In Spain, all members of the General Council of the Judiciary, which handles appointments to the Supreme Court, high courts, and other senior positions, are directly chosen by the Congress and the Senate after a reform by a socialist government in 1985. This is against what the 1978 constitution says, but the Constitutional Court decided not to care. You sum that to the president of the government bragging on live TV about how the current socialist government controls the prosecutors in Spain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbDsPfoE_a4) and you get a banana republic. | | |
| ▲ | jddj 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Language nit: in english, "add to that" is more natural | | |
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| ▲ | amcvitty 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That’s true in America, but the word government is applied more narrowly elsewhere, including in the UK. | | |
| ▲ | tomnipotent 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | What matters is what the OP was communicating with it, and in English it means all state bodies responsible for administration. No one would argue the US Supreme Court is not part of the government. | | |
| ▲ | TRiG_Ireland 18 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No. That's what it means in the USA. Judges are not part of the government in the UK, Ireland, Australia, or New Zealand either. They're part of the State. |
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| ▲ | ahtihn 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The judiciary is part of the state. The government is also part of the state. They are different parts. |
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| ▲ | benhurmarcel 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In many countries, the word “government” only refers to the executive branch |
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| ▲ | halJordan 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The state hasn't setup processes to enable that. It will happen |
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| ▲ | AtNightWeCode 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| CF would pretty much need to monitor this live in that case which is impossible. The pirates sometimes even create new domains for specific games. This is a risk with shared IP addresses. I sold CF to many customers and I would say the risk in general is minimal. At least outside Spain. But people should stop whining and use a better service if needed. |
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| ▲ | petcat 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | > But people should stop whining and use a better service if needed. A better service that the Spanish government will also block? Cloudflare is not the bad actor here. The Spanish government is. |
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