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jdw64 3 hours ago

The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well.

But AI is actually not very good at replacing an entire lower-level worker’s job as a whole. It works well only when that work is broken down into smaller and smaller tasks.

The core problem is this: the coercive force of AI use is felt by the lower classes, while the upper classes still have the freedom not to use it. AI may be able to make decisions based on more data than executives do, and perhaps even make better decisions than management. Yet the people being replaced are the lower-level workers.

This is the problem. The upper classes, who claim that AI is an essential tool, still have the freedom not to use it. But the lower classes cannot survive unless they use it. It becomes a tool required for survival, while at the same time being treated as something wrong, inferior, or low-status if you use it.

To get a job, AI becomes an essential survival tool. But culturally, it is also treated as a tool that damages creativity. I see this in open-source communities as well, in the class discourse around open source.

The same culture appears on Hacker News. Among the upper layer of open-source communities, there is often hostility toward AI-generated code, based on ideas of human purity: AI code is said to have no meaning, no responsibility, no real authorship. So even within open source, this takes on a class character.

But as a freelance developer, I have to trade against my own code-writing ability in order to survive and deliver. Because of AI, the floor price of software delivery has collapsed. If I do not use AI, I cannot meet the new requirements.

In the past, a job that would have given me two months and paid $5,000 is now expected to be completed in two weeks for the same $5,000. Without AI, that volume of work is impossible to handle.

This kind of discourse always makes me uncomfortable. I dislike it, but I have to use it.

AI lowers the barrier to creation and learning, but the way it lowers that barrier can also bypass the training of thought itself. It turns young people into both beneficiaries and damaged subjects at the same time.

And we live under this loop of coercion. Sometimes I think I do not want to use AI.

But if I want to survive, I have to use it. I feel the abilities I once took pride in beginning to decay, and I feel myself becoming increasingly bound to AI companies. At the same time, I also feel another kind of ability beginning to emerge.

Perhaps growing older means learning how to live inside irony.

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htx80nerd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well.

AI just repeats whatever the prevailing opinion is at that time. I am a very heavy AI user (Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT) and have queried it on a variety of topics. AI is not thinking, it is repeating.

ben_w 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> AI just repeats whatever the prevailing opinion is at that time.

That would be an improvement. They are generally far too sychophantic to just repeat the prevailing opinion, and instead synthesise the opinion that they think wants to be heard by the user.

jdw64 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree with the view that AI does not truly think and cannot produce genuinely original opinions. It is difficult for AI to give answers that lie far outside the average distribution of its training data. In that sense, it is not very good at producing truly novel business insights.

But that is not what most “work” usually means. Work is mostly repetitive. The actual moment of decision is brief.

So what do I mean by work here? I mean the collection, organization, and synthesis of the materials needed before reaching that decision.

For that part of the process, AI is extremely effective.

banannaise 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Thus replacing the work of the upper classes.

mzi 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> In the past, a job that would have given me two months and paid $5,000 is now expected to be completed in two weeks for the same $5,000.

So you have quadrupled your income? That seems like the opposite of a collapse.

jdw64 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because of the nature of freelance work, jobs are not always steady. Most freelancers constantly worry that the work may disappear tomorrow.

In my case, unlike contract freelancers who are hired for a fixed period, I usually work on a project-delivery basis. Of course, well-known programmers may be able to negotiate salary-like contracts, but that is not my situation.

I think my earlier example may have been unclear. What I meant was not that the price increased. I meant that a project that used to take two months for $5,000 is now expected to be delivered in two weeks for the same $5,000.

That point probably needed more explanation. In the current freelance market, prices have collapsed more than many people realize.

My English is not perfect, since I am not from the English-speaking world, so I may have caused some confusion. Please understand my point as: work that used to reasonably take two months is now expected to be completed within two weeks.

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bombcar an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I think they’re saying there’s another stepdown coming, the job in two weeks for $1,000 is right around the corner.

catcowcostume an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

But because of AI demand also fell. You can quandruple income without customers

naravara 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes. Synthesizing different opinions, summarizing them, and producing outputs based on statistics are things AI does well.

It’s really not though. A lot of sort of incidental communication that people don’t really read carefully it’s fine at. But the actual hard stuff it’s just not that great. It’s basically average by design so it almost definitionally incapable of being great.

I’ve been trying to use AI for putting together job applications, tailor my resume and cover letter and stuff. But it’s just not good. It’s decent if I want a sanity-check analysis as in “how does this come across generically.” But if I ask it to write anything it sound like LinkedIn slop. I expect if everyone starts using this to write their basic communication you’ll be in a world where nobody is reading anything anyone says because it’s so BORING. Everyone sounds the same, everything is phrased in this sort of mushy and generic way. At that point the intended communication isn’t happening! We will have sanded away all the rough edges to the point where you can’t actually get a grip on anything anymore.

At another point I tried to test it out and asked it to wireframe a very basic application for me. Something that should have been a very lightweight thing that runs on device to do a basic background process it architected as some crazy overcomplicated enterprise-scaled thing as if I’m trying to build a unicorn startup out of this rather than just a toy app to organize my shopping list. If I wasn’t technically savvy enough to recognize it was way overcomplicating things I’d have just run with this. And what’s worse is, it burns through all your token budget to figure out a bunch of problems you don’t need to have!

Obviously I’m using it and find it useful, but I’ve started to develop serious doubts about how useful it will ever be without an informed and accountable attendant overseeing it.

alephnerd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> The irony is that AI is best at replacing the work of the upper classes

This is why the harshest critics of AI tend to be white collar workers of this social class. The same kinds that told coal miners and autoworkers to "learn to code" and called them deplorables for voting nativist in 2016.

Any chance to build mutual trust was squandered. The jobs worst impacted by AI are jobs where most of the workers are Democrats and live in blue states that don't swing.

Meanwhile, those manufacturing, construction, and healthcare jobs that are becoming a bigger part of the economy tend to be in the purple part of the country so their needs are heard.

Eric_WVGG 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

and why the people most prone to praising it are ones who mostly write emails all day.

“Wow, this is very, very good at my job, which must be a difficult job because it pays well and I'm a smart guy. Imagine how well it will work for the dum-dums.”

techno303 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

gonna push back on this

i don't see a relationship betwern criticism and the chance of automation/replacement

the harshest critics that i see tend to be, almost ubiquitously, creatives

perhaps just my walk of life

alephnerd 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There's a reason the "creatives" are called the "chattering class"

ModernMech 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> told coal miners and autoworkers to "learn to code" and called them deplorables for voting nativist in 2016.

The actual pitch was to bring educational and alternative energy opportunities to an area that is impoverished and facing harsh economic realities. It's worth pointing out that the people WV did end up electing did not improve the region and did nothing for coal miners' ecnonomic wellbeing, as many of those coal plants shut down anyway and no one of their elected officials did anything to stop it, nor did they provide any economic alternatives to the region:

"coal production has declined 31% since Trump took office [first term], and by some estimates, more than five dozen coal-fired power plants have closed."

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/oct/14/donald-tru...

> called them deplorables for voting nativist in 2016.

She called a spade a spade. As mad as they were in 2016 for being called that, they proved her 100% right when they sacked the capitol in a violent insurrection in 2021 waving KKK and Nazi flags. That's deplorable behavior.