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mannykannot 4 hours ago

The claim that disasters happen to older plants is not refuted by the observation that lessons learned are applied to the whole fleet.

One might object that there is selection bias in the original claim, due to the slowdown in construction of recent plants, but that is a separate issue. A more thorough investigation of the causes of all events leading to a significant degradation of safety margins would be needed to determine whether and how older designs are inherently more risky and whether that risk can be adequately mitigated given the constraints imposed by their design.

The fact that, prior to Chernobyl, there were several foreshadowing incidents with RBMKs which should have raised serious concerns, suggests that 'lessons learned' isn't much of a reason to be satisfied with the status quo.

leonidasrup 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Even in case of RBMK where were many lessons learned. There are still to this day 7 operational RBMKs in Russia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK

thrownthatway 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

RMBKs are irrelevant to nuclear reactor safety.

You had a good argument up until you went there.

anonymars 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Even if we don't treat Chernobyl as sui generis, the safety situation with nuclear power is akin to that of airplanes. We don't bat an eye at the quotidian death toll of cars or coal

I've yet to see a nuclear safety argument that doesn't reduce to 'nuclear energy provokes emotional fear'

Oh, it occasionally irradiates a swath of land and renders it uninhabitable? How about coal ash ponds or indefinite mine fires or infamous oil spills or dam failures or even the mining scars...

Happy to be proven wrong, but https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-p...

nicoburns 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> it occasionally irradiates a swath of land and renders it uninhabitable

The big fear for me would be that this happens to a nuclear power plant that is located in a densely populated area (of which there are many). Chernobyl was bad, but imagine the impact if the exclusion zone contained a major city.

peterfirefly 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The only real problem with the Fukushima incident was the (unnecessary) evacuation. It really would be best if they weren't built too close to where people live.

thrownthatway 43 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Two new AP1000 reactors are being built in Ukraine. During a hot war.

That’s how safe and important these things are.

nicoburns 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

> That’s how safe and important these things are.

I don't think something being done in war time is evidence of it's safety! If anything, way tends to encourage more risk taking.

thrownthatway 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> it occasionally irradiates a swath

That has happened exactly once.

pqtyw 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> disasters happen to older plants is not refuted by the observation that lessons learned are applied to the whole fleet.

There was a single nuclear disaster in history that actually caused a lot of damage (Fukushima was of course very costly financially). Both Chernobyl and Fukushima were caused by variables that can be easily controlled, though. Just don't build them in coastal areas were Tsunamis are fairly common and more importantly don't allow Soviet engineers to design and operate your nuclear power plants.