So the next anti trust case for the EU. Chrome is clearly dominating the browser market and now they try to abuse that (again)

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jauntywundrkind 2 days ago | parent [-]

It's exhausting having such reflexive thoughtless ragging anytime Chrome is mentioned.

Oh no! Chrome is trying to enhance user agency again! Oh no! Chrome is trying to make the web better for end users!

Mozilla's concerns aren't totally bogus, I'm not going to try to laugh them out of the room. But their pearl clutching & belly-aching about "oh no what if not all implementations of ai prompts work exactly the same" feels fucking tired and weak sauce to me.

This post really doesn't deserve our attention, my my view. But I'd challenge the haters to at least try to connect their reflexive hate meaningfully to what the topic at hand actually is, to provide something worth considering in some way. But that I think asks too much, for what posts like this seek: merely to inflame the world.

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throwawa14223 a day ago | parent | next [-]

It is non-obvious that adding an LLM to a web browser makes anything better for the web browser user.

	▲	jauntywundrkind a day ago \| parent [-]
		I think you have to work real hard to cover your eyes to there being 100% no use, to regarding it as having no potential. Shame on anyone who is able to fool themselves into being so completely convinced. If you are 99% against, that's at least some ability to judge reality. To have some ability to investigate & think. But you should be able to talk at least like you have some moorings, some connection with both sides of the discussion, imo, or you just aren't being serious.

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8NNTt8z3QvLT8tp 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not pearl clutching to suggest that websites will build around quirks of a specific model and then we'll be stuck with it forever. This is an issue for future Google as much as it is for Mozilla and Apple.

We had WebSQL which defactor relied on a specific DB implementation, sqlite, and I suspect it also essentially couldn't be updated because people relied on the quirks of a specific version of sqlite.

	▲	jauntywundrkind a day ago \| parent [-]
		If this was a conundrum that was at all resolvable, that had any hope of being tackled, I think it would be a valid concern perhaps. But there's no suggestion or idea, no way to specify our way out of this one. And the idea of providing too much guidance because one model has quirks? That seems so so very so-what. Oh no we over-prompted isn't zero impact. But it usually isn't that cataclysmic. I feel like this is such a 0.001% gripe, and to hold up all agency on the web because of this is unbecoming. Is ridiculous. I know browsers wanted to get rid of websql but generally I thought the consensus was websql was disliked generally by vendors. It wasn't that they wanted a different websql: they didn't want a websql at all, period. The quirks weren't the problem. Again though, fucking help! Fine, there are problems. I personally think this is some absurd fucking ridiculous mountains out of mole hills and ya'll are being absurd over this. Absurd. But if this was a discussion where there were interesting future directions to look to, that we could pursue and try to follow up on? Ok! Fine! Have your pound of flesh maybe or maybe it really does pay out! But it is some conservative Fear Uncertainty and Doubt soul rotting evil to obstruct & deny while making qualifications that are utterly unobtainable. Meanwhile the rest of the software world is going to keep moving. The web is just going to be colossal negatively impacted by this impossible "it must be perfect" impasse created for no reason with no expectations of resolvability, in spite of the base premise of giving users access to their agents being an obvious direct and clear improvement over every other possibility by country miles.

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croes 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh no, Chrome is adding something that shouldn't be in the browser in the first place. Oh no, Chrome is adding Googles own AI as only possibilty what surely doesn't hinder competition.

Maybe you shouldn't reflexivly defend Chrome when they clearly abuse their market leading position to push their own AI.

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orphea 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Can you please explain how the hell AI slop is going to "enhance user agency" or "make the web better"?

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doublerabbit 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> But I'd challenge the haters to at least try to connect their reflexive hate meaningfully to what the topic at hand actually is, to provide something worth considering in some way. But that I think asks too much, for what posts like this seek: merely to inflame the world.

Your fixated bias shows that your not willing to shuffle. Think out of the box for once.

No one is ruling out that Google is trying to enhance the internet, but at the same them rather it making positive and open it enables & restricts the next wave of generational internet.

How am I suppose to develop a uniformed application when I have to follow the rules of Google. Why should I have to, because I would be forced to.

	▲	jauntywundrkind 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		What are you even talking about? It seems pretty basic to me that yes I should be able to have some agentic experiences working for me. The Mozilla line here is that this is bad because different people might have different agents and that is intolerable, is a risk. It's hiding in a cave to avoid seeing your own shadow idiotic.