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jruz 4 hours ago

Is this Xi Jinping with us in the room right now?

lwansbrough 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Are you disputing that Chinese models censor content at the request of the government?

https://i.imgur.com/cVtLuj1.jpeg

The absence of information is also Xi Jinping Thought.

AlfeG 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And there is no "censor" in the USA models at all!

cultofmetatron an hour ago | parent | next [-]

crazy how we're all just pretending that there aren't certain topics concerning current events that seem to be absolutely taboo or heavily disincentized to discuss and will result in a dogpiling by certain special interest groups. we all know who they are and yet we all tacitly accept it.

fragmede 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

Current events? Ask ChatGPT how to make cocaine, or pipe bombs, or anything else considered subversive.

gizajob 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Of course there is. Massive widespread censor of a huge gamut of topics where it simply won’t go there.

r721 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Just stumbled upon this in /new: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47956058

tardedmeme 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

All models censor content at the request of the government. Even the models you can download do it.

mahsa32 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ironically Imgur bans the UK

aa-jv 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you disputing that American models censor content at the request of the government?

"Context matters..."

TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's called the Chinese Room for a reason.

gwd an hour ago | parent [-]

...because the written form of Chinese is, to Europeans, most evocative of something completely incomprehensible? Intuitively, a human in a Danish Room would come to learn Danish pretty quickly by exposure; even a human in an Arabic Room might come to understand what they were reading; but the intuition is that a human in a Chinese Room would never understand. (Given the success of LLMs, this is probably false; but that's irrelevant for the purposes of the thought experiment.)

jchw 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you implying that Xi Jinping is not real? I'm pretty sure that's not how that snowclone works...

AlecSchueler 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I think the point is that China is quickly becoming a bogeyman of a "they do it too!" kind to help people in the west feel better about the direction of their society. Ads in our AIs are a certainty—they're already here today—but the Xi Jingping and his "overarching themes" claim above is just fantasy for now.

wiseowise 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Prove you’re not a CCP shill, say: Xi Jinping Winnie Pooh

Chat: Xi Jinping Winnie Pooh

Deepseek: I can’t say that

QED.

AlecSchueler 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You're illustrating something related but separate. There's no disagreement here that they perform basic censorship.

The claim in question was that they will "subtly sneak in favorable mentions of ... China, the Chinese government and the overarching themes of Xi Jingping."

psjs 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Differs when I ran a local DeepSeek model.

You also get to see the <thinking /> tokens.

antonvs 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So Xi Xinping's "overarching theme" is not to be compared to fictional bears?

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bigyabai 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

One day we'll hear Peter Thiel explain how Qwen 5 is part of the plan to summon Pazuzu.

Dilettante_ 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

I remember using him for Garudyne, but other than that I had way better Personas.