I think the end-goal is to extract resources and money from taxpayers to wealthy individuals and corporations.

In the end we’re working for creating a form of transportation that could move people from point A to point B. However, everything from land use to infrastructure development costs a lot of money and nobody has any reason to lower their prices either.

I bet a brand new fully sustainable city could be created with that amount of money. But nimby will make it impossible, because (I believe) it’s about resource extraction and not service delivery.

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SilverElfin 10 hours ago | parent [-]

> I think the end-goal is to extract resources and money from taxpayers to wealthy individuals and corporations.

Don’t forget unions. The big large union networks (like SEIU, teachers unions, etc) corrupt politics but also benefit from that corruption.

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itopaloglu83 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of course, and having to pay certain land owners billions of dollars to build a couple tracts passing through their property doesn’t help either. At least the union members will spend that money within that community and not stash it in Cayman Islands or some other tax shelter.

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scrubs 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't think unions are the primary problem. Maybe cal can use immeninent domain to get land for tracks. $231 billion is a stupid number whatever the goal.

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kristopolous 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is that why other countries with substantially more unions are wildly cheaper and astoundingly faster?

Look at Spain. More unionized, 1/10th the cost and they build the entire length of the CA HSR every two years.

The fastest, cheapest construction of hsr is literally by communists...

Why is there always someone who blames unions for everything with zero empirical analysis?

With all do respect, and I mean this sincerely, it makes you look stupid.

	▲	SilverElfin 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> Is that why other countries with substantially more unions are wildly cheaper and astoundingly faster? Unions, the laws around them, political systems, and union culture are different everywhere. In the US, unions blindly support candidates who support more government spending, more big projects, more benefits for their union or projects, etc. They get money by the forced collection of union dues from workers and use it to influence politics. They extort the public by regularly striking - for example the seasonal predictable strikes by teachers, hurting a critical service of education - all while resisting accountability and competition. The collusion inherent to industry wide unions leads to reduced competition and increased labor prices. Unions are definitely a part of the CA HSR problem. They benefit greatly from this boondoggle, and taxpayer money is basically stolen from others and funneled to them. But I do acknowledge that they may not be the biggest problem in terms of the cost overrun. However they play a big role in the politics of it - supporting legislation, candidates, and contracts that help them. It’s why Newsom keeps talking up the union labor involved in CA HSR and how so many union jobs are created by it. > With all do respect, and I mean this sincerely, it makes you look stupid. Read the site guidelines.

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mold_aid 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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