| ▲ | joe_mamba 11 hours ago |
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| ▲ | ThrowawayR2 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > "...EXACTLY what machinists were saying..." I'm baffled by the stream of obviously hallucinated facts from AI promoters. |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | happytoexplain 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | The name-calling and vitriol of typical internet arguments doesn't belong here. | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | >The name-calling and vitriol of typical internet arguments doesn't belong here. But his false accusations towards me belong here? So it's OK for me to be attacked, but not OK for me to respond back in equal fashion? Also, I didn't call anyone names, "clueless" and "obtuse" are adjectives describing a person's observed behavior, not names, and I was very generic saying "some people" to not target and offend anyone specific since I believe in mutual respect. Because if the person wanted to argue in good faith, he could have just said "I can't believe this, please post a source and go into detail", but he didn't, he immediately jumped to a personal attack with false accusations, in 100% bad faith. And you think I'm the one blame here, for simply responding in kind? Please. | | |
| ▲ | happytoexplain 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | He was being petty, but I wouldn't use the terms "name-calling" or "vitriol". It's a very bad look, to put it lightly, to throw around the terms 'clueless', 'obtuse', and 'useless', and to tell people they will be replaced. In defense of anything, not just AI. Edit: Interestingly, the parent was edited to be even more hostile since I commented (usually it's the opposite). | | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | >He was being petty Making false accusations is more than just "being petty". >It's a very bad look HN isn't a beauty pageant and I'm not running for office to value looks over facts. I call things as they are, no BS. >to throw around the terms 'clueless', 'obtuse', and 'useless' Then people shouldn't act 'clueless', 'obtuse', and be 'useless' if they wouldn't like to be called out for that. If someone see themselves as matching those descriptions, that then that's on them, nothing I can do about it. >and to tell people they will be replaced Well, if people can't do a google/LLM search before attacking people with venom, they ARE useless, and will 100% be replaced, since employers have no use for toxic people who can't use modern tools in the labor force. And this isn't an accusation or something, this is simply the truth on how the labor market works. That's why there are so many unemployed/NEETs/homeless people. I don't want them to be replaced and unemployed, but they are/will be through their own actions/inactions. Again, nothing I can do about that, this is just how it is, and I'm just calling it out. |
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| ▲ | AlexandrB 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's not about us older folk, but the computing environment itself. We're heading into a world of centralized control where your personal computer is mostly a "thin client" for a bunch of online services. Combined with omnipresent age/identity verification and you will basically need permission from someone to do anything interesting with a computer. Especially on the internet. This is in contrast to the 1990-2010 era where software was generally "buy once use forever" (plus kept working regardless of what politician you support online) and general purpose, open hardware was the norm. You could hook your homemade server up to the internet with a minimum of fuss and start running a service or forum or website or whatever. There are plenty of bright kids out there, but they're going to be operating from a position of dependence on the OpenAIs, Googles, and Apples of the world if they want to ship a product. |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | >It's not about us older folk, but the computing environment itself. Whether you like it or not, the computing environment of today is a product of the labor and financial participation of older folk of the past. Google, Facebook and Microsoft weren't built by Zoomers. Everyone contributed to the current state of things, either direct thought labor and fiance or indirectly by just using the products. >We're heading into a world of centralized control where your personal computer is mostly a "thin client" for a bunch of online services And who built those online services? People make it sound like Azure, AWS, Facebook, X, etc were just snapped into existence one day by Zuckerberg, Bezos, and Musk, and aren't decades of labor by hundreds of thousands of workers who voluntarily did this in exchange for cash. > This is in contrast to the 1990-2010 era where software was generally "buy once use forever" and general purpose, open hardware was the norm. You could hook your homemade server up to the internet with a minimum of fuss and start running a service or forum or website or whatever. I know, but how does remanenceing help here? You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube same how you can't turn back housing affordability back to how it was in 1995, or bring back those lucrative union manufacturing jobs that could support a family from just bolting bumpers to a Chevy on an assembly line. Those are all one-time things of the past now, never to return again in the same form. You have to work with the cards you've been dealt today, not moan about how much better the past was since that doesn't help anyone. |
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| ▲ | tristor 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| That is not what the GP said at all. I am definitely not a Boomer, and I fully agree with them. They are lamenting the loss of control over your own general purpose computing system, and how our capitalistic society run by oligarchs is enforcing that through economic pressures. There is nothing in their comment that praises their hard work, intelligence, or claims younger people are incapable. |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 11 hours ago | parent [-] | | > our capitalistic society run by oligarchs is enforcing that through economic pressures. Which the people retiring soon, like the one I'm replying to, helped build with their labor, funded with their investments to get rich and enjoy their 401ks, leaving the current generations holding the bag. Nobody's innocent here. When Zuckerberg brought out his checkbook to poach engineers to build the Spybook 9000 social network, everyone flocked there without thinking, "hey, are we fucking up the future of the world?". When people here were flaunting Crypto as the second coming of Jesus, they weren't thinking "hey, are we maybe helping people get scammed?" Every past generation of workers has their own guilt in to how we got here to the present situation. | | |
| ▲ | saltcured 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Nobody's innocent here. I'm not as old as the GPP who is thankful to be retiring, but that's absurd. What would it take, in your mind, not to be complicit in this? Would we have to form militant groups who fire bomb datacenters and social media operators..? We didn't all work for Facebook, nor any FAANG, nor embrace or hype the crypto scams. Hell, I abstained from using Facebook due to my principles. I spent my career writing open source software, at academic salary levels. Though I'm not happy to end my career today, the AI agent stuff may well be the hill I retire on, if the mass delusion spirals hard enough and employers demand that I bend my principles. | |
| ▲ | tristor 11 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Oh, I fully agree with you that the Boomers completely fucked the world to advantage themselves and then pulled the ladder up for their kids and grandkids. But I don't think it's fair or reasonable to reply to a single individual by trying to foist the responsibility of an entire generation onto their shoulders, especially when they were not expressing any of the words you that were trying to put into their mouth. |
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