reminder for anybody who might be interested: tangled is built on ATProto and when the bsky devs went public in saying "fuck the users", one of the tangled co-founders chimed in right along side them.

it's one thing to use the protocol of libertarian dickheads in the hopes of extracting it from them, but when it's done by other libertarian dickheads, there's not much chance of that outcome.

on balance, though, the tech appears solid. as in, it does what they claim it does and that is mostly what devs seem to need. if you're not interested in who you're giving your content to, at least tangled has the functionality that they're offering your content in exchange for it.

definitely in favor of git federation, and while I would prefer that it happens using git and only git, rather than another protocol on top of it, I get the feeling that there are at least some things that git wouldn't handle well that people would still really want, so I can understand why so many would reach for a wrapper protocol instead.

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hayden_dev: not going to dig up the specific source, but you can search for "bluesky" and "waffles" to find the offending skeets (or the dramatic thinkpieces about them), and you can read the responses to those skeets yourself, where you can find the tangled dev/cofounder.

psionides: hey, to each their own! I'd never ask you to call anyone a libertarian dickhead. and I'd also never begrudge your your opinion of someone you've personally exchanged comments with, even if I didn't agree with that opinion based on the comments I had exchanged with them. you do you, friend!

to anyone else that thinks they are... uh... "exposing" me... ? let me be clear in my bias: fuck the AT protocol - not because it's bad, because the people who made it are dickheads that are more interested in pretending they're building the future than in actually delivering a social product for human beings. They're not unique in this; in fact they are in very common company. most silicon valley types, especially those borne out of the largest social media companies in the world, prefer to make 'perfect systems', rather than actually engage with the imperfection of human social dynamics. but, to be clear, my condemnation for them is not unique to them either. I consider the heads of facebook, and google, and adobe, and microsoft, and pretty much any other large software company dickheads, too.

just because everyone sucks doesn't mean I'm wrong to say they suck. nor does it make me wrong to specify that THIS ONE sucks, without necessarily caveating that with "and all the others suck too, and maybe less". my problem is the seemingly endless loop of tech bros saying "well, it's the best we got, and they seem fine, so we'll make do with what they're giving us", and then eventually those same tech bros shrugging their shoulders when the whole thing falls apart because of libertarian dickheads and their priorities. We're at the start of the loop with ATProto, but for a look at the end of the loop, see the consensus on github today.

catpart is definitely NOT someone with a long history of railing against anything vaguely connected to ATproto: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46670016

catpart has totally 100% provided a citation for the "fuck the users" moment (sike): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46672904

in your world, literally who isn't a dickhead? yourself, presumably? you must make a living somehow.

source for the fuck the users quote please lmao

I don't think there's a good reason to call the creators of Tangled "libertarian dickheads", tbh.