> China is not competing, it is distilling US models

China are cheating by using data obtained without permission to train their models in an evil commie way!

They should have done what the US did instead and trained models on data obtained without permission in a fair and freedum way!

> Where are the Chinese models that are blowing US ones out of the water?

Kimi2 blows every US model out of the water in any comparison that includes both costs and performance.

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2ndorderthought 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Qwen3.6 runs on a single GPU and beats claudes sonnet. In benchmarks and real world tests from humans. Kimi is awesome but most people won't be able to host it themselves.

A lot of people are slowly realizing the moat of 1T closed source models is gone as of the last few weeks. It's going to change the industry. April was a huge month for open models, it'll be curious to see if that continues.

This Mistral submission is another nail in the coffin.

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wasfgwp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> beats claudes sonnet

Based on benchmarks which don’t mean that much these days.

> models is gone as of the last few weeks.

Yes, that’s exactly what people were saying after every major release for the past year or so. It’s always a couple of weeks away

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prodigycorp 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

i run qwen 3.6. you need to drink some settle down juice.

	▲	2ndorderthought 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		No way it's awesome.