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colesantiago 5 hours ago

Tangled is VC funded just like initially how GitHub was:

https://blog.tangled.org/seed/

It always ends the same way.

enshittification.

Also:

> Bain Capital Crypto is an investor.

A crypto VC is invested in this.

This is not the solution.

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knotbin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

You completely missed the point. The point isn't that you should find a company that you trust and think is ethical. The point is to shift the power dynamics so you don't have to trust anyone. That's what building on ATproto does. Tangled is also fully open source and anyone can host their own knot and AppView.

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convolvatron 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't have a vote on whether ATProto is a good foundation to build such a thing, it seems to me rather that git has quite a bit of relevant machinery inside already, and maybe it might be extended a little, if only by convention.

but your overall point is extremely valid. lurching from garden to garden is just stupid for something so critical and core to the way software is developed. there should be a meaningful core standard for the data (the commits, PRs, workflows, etc). If people want to innovate and change on top of that great.

that's how GitHub started, but they flattered and turned the screws and convinced everyone that using them was the only viable workflow. for that matter can't we revisit the notion of a 'forge', that's really some product marketers version of how things should work and be bundled and charged for, not anything fundamental.

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colesantiago 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You seem to have missed the fact that Bluesky is funded by the same crypto VC.

Look how well that has turned out even though Bluesky is open source.

Tangled is not funded by the community.

It would be better if it was rather than it be owned by VCs.

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knotbin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> Look how well that has turned out even though Bluesky is open source.

??? Bluesky can make decisions, mistakes, or moderation choices you disagree with and you can just go to https://blacksky.community, a completely independent AppView with different moderation that was up for the entirety of a 24hr outage Bluesky recently had.

I'd say AT Protocol is turning out pretty well.

	▲	colesantiago 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> ??? Bluesky can make decisions, mistakes, or moderation choices you disagree with Bluesky PBC still has major influence of the AT Protocol. > and you can just go to https://blacksky.community, a completely independent AppView Swapping one broken chair for another broken chair won’t cut it. Development and steering is subsidised by VCs funding Bluesky at this point. (especially a crypto VC) Have you ever asked whats in it for them? What plans are they going to put into the protocol? I can see the AT Protocol shoving crypto payments or whatever in their insatiable quest for growth and ROI, because when the funding money runs out when BS miss their growth targets, this is what happens. And for Tangled’s monetisation path, it is questionable. So no. Not a solution.