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WD-42 9 hours ago

Since they are served as distinct events then I would think they should be easy to block.

Once the ads are injected directly into the main response is when things get interesting.

kardos 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Once the ads are injected directly into the main response is when things get interesting.

This would be where you post-process the LLM response with a second LLM to remove the ad..

naruhodo 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think it will be difficult to remove bias when you ask a model to compare alternative products. The model will simply lie, as with a biased human opinion and you will need to consult multiple models for a diversity of opinion and presumably use a "trusted" model to fuse the results. Anonymity will be a key tool in reducing the model's ability to engage in algorithmic pricing.

Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.

Terr_ 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not only that, but the underlying model may be tuned to omit mentions or data about competitors entirely, an absence which can't easily be filtered.

Extortionate economic shadowbanning, here we come.

normie3000 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> will simply lie, as with a biased human opinion

Is this really how bias works?

michaelt 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Writers have many options to deceive their audience without outright lying.

If a journalist is given an all-expenses-paid trip to an exotic location for the launch of a new product, and they review the product and say it's great - are they lying?

If a reviewer writes an article comparing certain types of product, but their review only includes products where affiliate links pay a 10% commission - are they lying?

If a journalist is vaguely aware of rumours about newsworthy, under-reported Event X but also that their publication has a big sponsorship deal with folks that Event X makes look bad, and they don't investigate the rumours or report on them - are they lying?

If a reviewer hears a claim from X, and they report the claim credulously, without adding the context that X has a history making false claims - are they lying?

inetknght 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh no. Definitely not. Humans would never just lie. They always lie only if they're biased. That is, after all, the definition of how a bias works.

/s

naruhodo 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm using bias to mean hidden motivations to the benefit of other parties. Feel free to substitute a better word.

EDIT: actually I'm really not sure what hairs we're trying to split here. I see bias as a departure from objectivity. It can be conscious or unconscious, but when someone is selling something, it's frequently conscious and self-serving, and I believe that's referred to as a lie.

tempest_ 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is already how email works in the corporate world.

A writes email with chatgpt to B.

B sees big blob of text and summarizes email with chatgpt.

Adding an LLM in the middle is just the next step.

torben-friis 8 hours ago | parent [-]

It's like one of those memes about the worst possible date picker, except for a communication system.

devmor 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Then you just end up in an arms race that ultimately leads to photocopy-of-a-photocopy output.

ihsw 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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lmbbuchodi 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you can block these URLs: |bzrcdn.openai.com^, ||bzr.openai.com^ It won't blanket block everything but will significantly reduce telemetry collected.

nazcan 6 hours ago | parent [-]

And that's why you gotta just use one domain. Or mix ads and important content on one domain.

sheiyei 5 hours ago | parent [-]

No, wrong lesson. That's why you use UBlock Origin.

TZubiri 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads.

michaelt 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Blocking transparent ads is not a good idea. The consequence is that you will be fed opaque ads.

Doesn't history show us you just get both?

You pay to get into the movies, then they show you adverts before the film, then the film includes paid product placement of cars, computers, phones, food, etc.

You watch youtube ads, to see a video containing a sponsored ad read, where a guy is woodworking using branded tools he was given for free.

You search on Google for reviews and see search ads, on your way to a review article surrounded by ads, and the review is full of affiliate links.

otabdeveloper4 an hour ago | parent [-]

> Doesn't history show us you just get both?

No. "Opaque ads" are usually heavily regulated out of existence by government legislation.

saghm 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't buy this premise. Nothing stops a company from trying to hide ads in the first place, and plenty of them do. Ad blockers for web content have been a thing for years, and using an ad blocker has continued to be strictly a better experience regardless of how many "organic" ads are present on a page.

TZubiri 5 hours ago | parent [-]

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tomhow 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

You've been asked before to make your points without swipes. Please make the effort to observe the guidelines; the only reason this is a place people want to discuss things is that we have them and others make the effort to observe them.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

RobotToaster 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're assuming 2 and 3 are mutually exclusive.

Even if they have 2, they can still make even more money by also including 3, so almost certainly will do so.

lelandbatey 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ah yes, the classic "my business plan is your moral problem; you owe me your eyes on my ads because I'm the idiot giving things away for free."

People don't want ads. You imply that "if you accept ads then things will be free" but they will not. Never accept ads. Not for a free service, certainly not in a paid product. Ads exist to enable leaching in both direction in exchange for what ends up being nearly mind control. But it is two-way leaching - companies benefit without the friction of explicit payment, consumers get a service without explicitly paying via money. The downside is neither can stop the bad-incentives motivating bad actions from the other side.

Ads are a deal with the devil, and rejecting them outright is allowed via that deal, just as companies can withdraw their free service. It cuts both ways.

encom 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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tomhow 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Please don't reply to a bad comment with another bad comment. It just makes things worse.

estimator7292 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What possible reason could they have to not always run both? It would make zero sense to leave that money on the table

TZubiri 5 hours ago | parent [-]

It's simpler to do one thing than to do two. You make a choice and you do that.

Could they be doing opaque ads right now and we wouldn't know? It's possible, that will probably eventually come to light and it might have legal consequences, but sure it's possible.

But it's not a given, and your logic of "it would make zero sense to leave money on the table" is certainly not a QED, it's absolute reductionism.

Timon3 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

It's even simpler to do zero things than to do one thing, so we should expect them not to introduce any ads, right?

"Simplicity" isn't a relevant factor.

duskdozer 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It sounds rational then to block as many non-opaque ads as possible, because that isn't their preferred choice.