Those states could export oil entirely reliable. They had tourism and finance industries dependent on them being safe.

Iran did not mined strait until USA and Israel bombed it twice during negotiations, threatened civilisation destruction, murdered political leaders and attacked BOTH civilian and military infrastructure.

You dont get to start a war or bomb and then blame the other side for not passivele accepting the situation.

USA caused harm here.

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ericmay 12 hours ago | parent [-]

> threatened civilisation destruction

Iran threatens to erase Israel and the United States off the map pretty much daily. So I just don't care that Trump did the same back to them. If they don't like threats like that, perhaps they should stop issuing them yea?

> murdered political leaders and attacked BOTH civilian and military infrastructure

What civilian infrastructure was deliberately attacked? We do know that Iran deliberately attacked civilian and military infrastructure. Did you mix the two up?

> You dont get to start a war or bomb and then blame the other side for not passivele accepting the situation.

Who started the war isn't an easy question to answer. I can easily and obviously argue that Iran started the war when they attacked Israel through their proxy forces. Ultimately though who "started" the war doesn't matter that much. Both sides have had grievances for quite a long time and things are just finally coming to more direct conflict.

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oa335 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> What civilian infrastructure was deliberately attacked?

Its clear you have only been getting your information from a certain set of sources. a lot of civilian infrastructure has been destroyed in Iran.

One of Israel's goals is to cripple the economy of Iran.

"Israeli leaders, including Defense Minister Israel Katz, have ordered the military to carry out strikes on targets that cause economic blows to the Iranian regime."

"This included a strike on major Iranian gas infrastructure in the country’s south nearly two weeks ago, and strikes on two of Iran’s largest steel factories on Friday. "

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-shifts-to-hitting-irans...

"Missiles also struck one of Iran’s biggest state-run pharmaceutical companies, Tofigh Darou, destroying its production and research and development units, state media said on Tuesday, blaming the strike on Israel. It’s a major producer of anti-cancer drugs and anesthetic in Iran"

https://archive.is/KAtCR

"A century-old medical research centre (Pasteur Institute) set up to fight infectious diseases like plague and smallpox has been heavily damaged in strikes on Tehran"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/terror-and-securit...

In addition, one of my friends who lives in Iran reported that a dialysis center, a refrigerator factory, a public park (that had "police" in the name), a popular chicken restaurant, and an entire apartment building full of people were each separately targeted and destroyed (apartment building was double tapped, killing rescue workers)

the above is just a small selection, universities, factories, bridges, oil infra has all been targeted as well.

would you consider US Steel factories, universities that do research for the military, factories or companies that make components that go into US weapons, apartment buildings where one military leader lives as military or civilian infrastructure?

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negura 6 hours ago | parent [-]

and let's not forget the boming of a literal school for girls

	▲	oa335 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		true, but there's some evidence that was unintentional. whereas Trump and Israel are openly saying they are targeting bridges, oil infra, economic targets etc.