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TacticalCoder 19 hours ago

> Solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, nuclear. These are more than ripe to disrupt energy into the 21st century.

Yes and we've seen negative electricity price in some EU countries a few days ago: very sunny days but not too warm, perfect for solar panels. Supply surpassing consumption: negative electricity prices.

While we're, supposedly, living through an energy crisis. There may oil shipment issues and there are issues with energy due to the Russia/Ukraine war too but... Many already understood that there were solutions to not be entirely dependent on oil.

Doomsayers are going to argue that "we need electricity during the winter at 6 pm" so a "largely negative electricity on a sunny sunday means nothing" (Belgium, two days ago: hugely negative electricity prices, for example and it's not the only case) but the truth is: we're not anywhere near as dependent on oil as we were during the Yum Kippur war / 1973 oil shock.

And oil is definitely limited in how high it can go for as soon as it goes up, suddenly other energy source make more and more sense economically.

Once again: negative electricity prices two days ago. Let that sink in.

HWR_14 19 hours ago | parent [-]

The problem is that grid scale power plants can't just turn on when the sun isn't shining. If the negative prices during the day and positive prices at night lead to energy storage, then it's a solution. Otherwise, it's just a glut at some times of day.

dcrazy 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is where grid scale batteries come in. Looking forward to that. (As long as they can avoid blowing up like the one in Monterey…)

neoromantique 16 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>The problem is that grid scale power plants can't just turn on when the sun isn't shining

They can, though? Batteries can offset the start-up times, otherwise gas plants can start up within minutes and nuclear can ramp up within days

HWR_14 16 hours ago | parent [-]

"Days" is too long when you need power at night. Coal and gas combined cycle plants take too long just like nuclear.

Turbines could work. But that's not the majority of plants.