| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 days ago |
| > we should stop calling this type of model open source. They are indeed "open weight” This ship has sailed. It’s now in the same category as hacker/cracker and the pronunciation of GIF. |
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| ▲ | andy_ppp 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think you mean GIF. |
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| ▲ | engeljohnb 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The inventor of GIF didn't begin with a document* clearly laying out what is and isn't to be called a "GIF." I think it's right to push back whenever a huge tech corporation tries to build goodwill by falsely using terms like "open source." *https://opensource.org/osd |
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| ▲ | keeda 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | To be fair, the initiators of the "Open Source" movement also co-opted a term that previously had a much more flexible meaning (and had been around for more than a decade at that point.) Just writing a document attributing specific criteria to a term does not grant one authority over the use of that term. Ironically, the roots of the Open Source movement are a direct reponse to the Free Software movement largely because it was considered too ideological and unfriendly to corporate interests (i.e. monetization.) | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > inventor of GIF didn't begin with a document clearly laying out what is and isn't to be called a "GIF”* Neither did the inventors of AI. A third party published a document after corporations went with open weights = open source and a spoiler block in FOSS wanted all training data published. > it's right to push back whenever a huge tech corporation tries to build goodwill by falsely using terms like "open source I think it’s counterproductive. Most people only see a squabble, which makes any ensuing points from the open-source community seem silly. Those who care can continue using the more-precise language they choose to. Put another way, there is a difference between using terms like cracker and fully spelling out cryptocurrency, and telling people who use hacker and crypto more loosely that they’re wrong. They aren’t wrong and that isn’t meaningful feedback. At the same time, the person using the precise language isn’t wrong either. | | |
| ▲ | engeljohnb 2 days ago | parent [-] | | There's a big difference between correcting some random commenter on an internet forum and correcting Microsoft. > think it’s counterproductive. Most people only see a squabble, which makes any ensuing points from the open-source community seem silly. Only to people that truly don't care whether something's open source. In which case, Microsoft using the term (correctly or incorrectly) won't change their perception. But the people who do care won't like to be mislead by Microsoft. There's a reason the term is right in the headline: people respond to it. I wish I had time to come up with a better example, but it's like if a AAA game company says they've released "native Linux build," but really they're just packaging the Windows build with Wine. 99% of people won't care, neither about the news nor the deception. But for that last 1%, any goodwill garnered with the headline would be gone, and the game company are the ones who look foolish, not the people calling them out. |
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| ▲ | giancarlostoro 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's the same as GIS, you wouldn't say jizz now would you? |
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| ▲ | DoctorOW 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I absolutely do, every single time it comes up. | |
| ▲ | ziml77 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I hadn't thought about how to pronounce GIS, but do you have a problem with the pronunciation of the Japanese Industrial Standards: JIS? | | |
| ▲ | s20n 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I've been pronouncing both of them as /dʒis/ like hiss and not /dʒɪz/. I however am not a native english speaker of English. I wonder if native speakers gravitate towards the z more? | | |
| ▲ | ziml77 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I would end both with the S sound, but I'm operating under the assumption that the person I was replying to either pronounces their Ss as Zs or can't tell the difference between the S and Z sounds. Because the other assumption I could have gone with is the less charitable take that they know GIS with a soft G doesn't sound like jizz, but they were just looking for a crude way to mock the soft G. | |
| ▲ | bronson 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think it depends on region. Related, many speakers pronounce chips and salza, Tezla, Wezley. |
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| ▲ | dijksterhuis 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | i am absolutely going to from now on | |
| ▲ | kevin_thibedeau 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The developer of the format declared the pronunciation 30+ years ago. It has always been jif. | | | |
| ▲ | notabotiswear 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I take it that you haven’t met the Arcgees people… | |
| ▲ | pardon_me 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | How do you pronounce giraffe? | | |
| ▲ | giancarlostoro 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Same way I pronounce my first name btw ;) but I think of "gif" as "gift" and this is probably the subconscious association people make without realizing it. | | |
| ▲ | WorldMaker 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Which is why I find it fun to bring up that in Old English "gift" hadn't yet picked up the "t" and was spelled "gif", but in Old English "g" was most commonly "HY". I like the Old English pronunciation of "gif" as "HYEEF", which is a "compromise" position that often makes some of both soft-g and hard-g "gif" pronunciation fans angry. | | |
| ▲ | giancarlostoro 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | I sometimes just pick the opposite of whatever everyone agreed to just for fun. I do the same when people cry about vim or emacs since I have used both. ;) Some men just want to watch the world burn. At least it's mostly harmless fun anyway. It's even funnier when they bring up how my name is pronounced in defense of "jiff" and I tell them, so you're calling me the expert in "Gi" pronunciation then? :) | |
| ▲ | ziml77 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I have never heard this third option before but I love it! |
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| ▲ | pardon_me 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I do too. The idea that any one pronunciation is more correct based on the letters is quite amusing, given there's examples that work all ways. |
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| ▲ | parineum 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How do you pronounce gift? | | | |
| ▲ | briffle 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | gorge = george |
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| ▲ | WarmWash 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And "hallucination" which should have been "delusion". Way early on (spring 2023) people tried to stop it, but no luck. |
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| ▲ | MagicMoonlight 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Why would it be delusion? It’s making something up which isn’t there and describing it. | | |
| ▲ | WarmWash 2 days ago | parent [-] | | A hallucination is a false sensory experience. A delusion is a false mental belief. Basically hallucinations are false external things, and delusions false internal things. You hallucinate a pink elephant, you delude yourself into thinking trump won 2020. |
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