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kreelman 3 hours ago

Just wondering... What is Intellgience?

xenocratus 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

An ambiguous metric that's been (ab)used quite a lot by human fundamentalists to try to draw a line between what we can do and what machines can do, in order to feel better about themselves.

Or were you looking for a different definition?

armchairhacker 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One measure is the ability to find an optimal solution among many options. From solving an integration problem (option = equation, optimal = correct) to life (option = life choice, optimal = best QOL).

Statistically, an LLM finds a better optimal solution than one individual. But LLM solutions are more similar to each other than individuals’, so among many individuals, a few find a better optimal solution than the LLMs.

Hence why I think we need AI that responds more uniquely. Whether that be fine-tuned local models, one LLM that’s more influenced by its prompt and well-supports extremely long prompts, AI tools for humans, or something else. I’d love to see a local AI with continuous learning that generates complex UX to better interact with the user (more than prompts), but that may be far-fetched…

caditinpiscinam 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We have various methods of measuring individual intelligence (which are pretty sketchy imo). But do we have any way to measure or quantify the intelligence of the larger structures that mediate our thought? How do you measure the intelligence of a university, or a business? How much intelligence is contained within a collection of books and papers? To what degree do the tools we use amplify our intelligence?

I see students obsess every day over their SAT scores, which to some is a measure of individual intelligence. But what SAT score would a pair of students working together on a single test get? Or a dozen students working together? Would it be higher or lower? What sort of strategies would maximize their ability to collaborate? What would be the effect of giving/removing access to a calculator on a student's score? Access to scratch paper? Access to textbooks? Access to a dictionary? Access to unlimited time?

If we want to claim to understand intelligence, these are the sort of questions we should be able to answer. Can we?

richardw an hour ago | parent [-]

Not sure if you remember this chess game. 1 man vs 50000. Quite an amazing outcome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kasparov_versus_the_World

MyHonestOpinon 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The definition I give to my children: It is the ability to make good decisions.

loudmax 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

That is a very reasonable definition, but having grown up playing Dungeons & Dragons, making good decisions strikes me as Wisdom, not Intelligence.

Very "intelligent" people can use those smarts to justify or rationalize all kinds of crazy stupid decisions.

qsera 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't have a good answer. But I have a good reason to say LLMs are not intelligent.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47918103

alberto467 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If you can’t define it you cannot say where it is present or not.

forlorn_mammoth 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

yeah! Just like gravity, which we all know is, uh, umm, uh, hold on a second,

Wait, I meant light, yeah, photons! It's photons all the way down! And what are photons you ask? shit, no more questions. Got to go.

qsera 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That is not true. We can detect the presence of a thing by the observation of something it causes. That does not imply we have a good definition of the thing.

At that point, we can only define it as something that causes this observation. And that is not very useful.

horsawlarway an hour ago | parent [-]

We might both agree its a poor definition, but at least it's a poor definition that's observable and neutral. That's useful in regards to this conversation.

Where as the other answer is simply "I can't say, but it's not [this]" and that isn't useful at all. It's simply opinion, which is literally the worst definition around. Personally, I don't define intelligence as "whatever qsera acknowledges as intelligence with no qualifying context"...

qsera 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think it is useless as a definition, so not even a poor one.

But here you go, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47918103

sublinear 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(mathematics)

cjs_ac 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In psychology, there is no definition of intelligence, but it is generally understood as whatever it is that intelligence tests measure.

GodelNumbering 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No consensus but a decent definition is: Ability to utilize resources to achieve outcomes

atwrk 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That sounds more like competency, not intelligence, which funnily enough is only loosely correlated to intelligence.

amelius 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Like kicking a ball to win a soccer match?

mettamage 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The titel has a typo as the actual article has the title "The Social Edge of Intelligence".

ForHackernews 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I've corrected the typo now, but I almost let it stand as a testament to my humanity.

mettamage 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yea no worries, just wanted others to know since when I typed the comment, the submission was quite fresh. It was my hope that it would make less people confused.

I didn't mind that there was a typo.

ForHackernews an hour ago | parent [-]

I assume most readers could decipher that typo, but I recognize your need to be pedantically correct as part of the grand tradition of HN.

SecretDreams 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you gotta ask, you can't afford it.

~ intelligence