> Barring them from leaving the country feels a bit sinister for people who haven't been accused of committing any crimes.

Pure speculation on my part, but i would be surprised if China didn't have our equivalent of export control laws, not difficult to fabricate a crime and pin it on founders.

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ericmay 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They do have export control laws and such, but based on current and past behavior China’s Communist Party doesn’t need those laws to disappear people or create crimes and then make people guilty of said crimes.

Worth mentioning though that this is not how America functions, nor our rule of law.

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wahnfrieden 5 hours ago | parent [-]

What do you make of this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47927544

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ericmay 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Not much, none of those cases from the US resulted in disappearing the founders. The US is a nation of laws, no matter how imperfect. Stark contrast to the CCP.

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rvnx 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At the end of the day, the process itself, years of investigation, millions in legal fees, frozen assets, destroyed careers is often the punishment regardless of whether charges stick or convictions hold up.

Not sure we can give any lessons to the world.

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cataphract 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The US is a democracy, and people are given many procedural and substantive rights, even Guantanamo detainees (we can argue if Boumediene had any practical effect, but we wouldn't have seen the same from China).

But Americans are under the impression that what the world sees is what they mostly see -- the domestic side. And to a certain extent, they do thanks to its cultural influence. This democracy/rule of law, however, is completely absent in way it behaves outside its borders and it's now clearer than ever to everyone that the US is the biggest source of instability in the world. More than Russia. Certainly more than China.

	▲	neves 39 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Maduro will certainly have a fair trial.

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Levitz 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Then you probably are not fit to comment on this matter.

I'm sorry to be that blunt but if you don't understand the value of rule of law, the difference in incentives, the consequences of separation of powers, I can't even grasp what kind of perspective you can build. It's genuinely baffling to me.

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foxes 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

lol, your current president and congress dont seem to be following your own laws.

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refulgentis 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yr parent is new to standard China legal mechanisms and you pivoted off of that to invent a chain of stuff that isn’t real. Are they unfamiliar to us? Yes. But it’s worth speaking to whether the speculation is rational.