>Plus, there is no "nature" anymore than there is a divine being. What this here is simply the difference between having technology; and not having it. "Nature" is not part of any equation here other than regular genetic information and how it is changed, "naturally".

the pedantry of some HNers never ceases to amaze me. all of these words to not actually say anything.

There's always an XKCD: https://xkcd.com/386/