when i realized that sama isn't that much of an ai researcher, it became clearer that this is more akin to a group delusion for hype purposes than a real possibility

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sourraspberry 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You can read the leaked emails from the Musk lawsuit.

At the very least, Ilya Sutskever genuinely believed it, even when they were just making a DOTA bot, and not for hype purposes.

I know he's been out of OpenAI for a while, but if his thinking trickled down into the company's culture, which given his role and how long he was there I would say seems likely, I don't think it's all hype.

Grand delusion, perhaps.

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meroes 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There’s 3 main facets behind AGI pushers

1) True believers 2) Hype 3) A way to wash blatant copyright infringement

True believers are scary and can be taken advantage of. I played DOTA from 2005 on and beating pros is not enough for AGI belief. I get that the learning is more indirect than a deterministic decision tree, but the scaling limitations and gaps in types of knowledge that are ingestible makes AGI a pipe dream for my lifetime.

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skippyboxedhero 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, all of the people involved live in a delusion bubble. Their economic and social existence depends, at this point, on making increasingly bombastic and eschatological claims about AGI. By the standards of normal human psychological function, these people are completely insane.

Definitely interesting to watch from the perspective of human psychology but there is no real content there and there never was.

The stuff around Mythos is almost identical to O1. Leaks to the media that AGI had probably been achieved. Anonymous sources from inside the company saying this is very important and talking about the LLM as if it was human. This has happened multiple times before.

	▲	AndrewKemendo an hour ago \| parent [-]
		There are those of us who have been into the AGI eschatology since the 90s after following in Kurzweil’s work. so just understand there’s a lot of of us “insane” people out there and we’re making really insane progress toward the original 1955 AI goals. We’re going to continue to work on this no matter what.

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freejazz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Ilya Sutskever genuinely believed it

Seems more like an incredibly embarrassing belief on his part than something I should be crediting.

	▲	ianm218 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If someone working on early computer networks thought they could scale up world wide and that soon everyone people would be launching trillion dollar companies on the internet you would have called that delusion right? He doesn't need to be right but it's not crazy at all to look at super human performance in DOTA and think that could lead to super human performance at general human tasks in the long run

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iewj 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

He’s a glorified portfolio manager (questionable how good he actually is given the results vs Anthropic and how quickly they closed the valuation gap with far less money invested) + expert hype man to raise money for risky projects.

	▲	lokar 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		From the reporting I’ve read his main attributes are being a sociopath with an amazing ability to manipulate people 1:1