| ▲ | philipallstar 5 hours ago |
| > For a lot of business customers, EU based hosting is not optional They still use US clouds that can have information pulled by the US government. |
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| ▲ | troyvit 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| FTA: > So Mistral is developing its own data centers, starting with one outside Paris. Mensch projects it will have 200 megawatts of capacity by the end of 2027. Power from France’s state-owned nuclear plants will help, but the buildout could still cost an estimated $5 billion. Mensch tapped oil-rich Abu Dhabi and reportedly sought debt financing to help pay for it. Though to your point it won't be running until 2027. |
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| ▲ | tmikaeld 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Compared to US datacenter buildout, it’s probably much more likely to actually go online.. | |
| ▲ | philipallstar 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes, I think the EU is going to be dependent on US tech (other than EUV lithography machines, very cool) for very long time. Even those data centres, while run by Europeans, are still being made with almost entirely US tech. But at least the EU companies can borrow some oil money and buy in the stuff developed by someone else's R&D spend, which is a nice shortcut to have available. |
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| ▲ | hsuduebc2 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is changing somehow. At least on a surface. For example Amazon have created European subsidiary completely managed by Europeans under European company thus under it's local jurisdiction. |
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| ▲ | ta20240528 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You are incorrect: 1. the 2018 CLOUD Act mandates US companies — and their subsidiaries — to provide information to the US government on demand, regardless of where the data is stored 2. FISA secret courts prevent companies from even saying they where summoned, or telling anyone who or what the case was about (including canaries). So you won't ever know if your data was handed over to the US government. | | |
| ▲ | hsuduebc2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They should be legally and physically separated and these actions should be then potentially illegal for Europeans so I do not think I'm at least infactual. But assuming the owner is US company abiding US laws it's safe to assume that data would be transferred to US one way or the another. | | |
| ▲ | overfeed 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The US intelligence machinery spied on Angela Merkel's phone. Do you suppose secretly demanding cooperation for Lawful intercept capabilities in Amazon GmbH is somehow beyond or beneath them? Also consider that all communication between the European subsidiaries to the HQ is fair game under FISA. |
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| ▲ | Ylpertnodi 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Best to assume it is. |
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| ▲ | FpUser 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Unless it is air gapped which it is not there is no way to protect Amazon's developed and owned software stack from reporting back to headquarters. | | |
| ▲ | cbg0 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sure there is: contracts, laws and prison time can ensure that doesn't happen. | | |
| ▲ | overfeed 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The European leaders would have have no say in it. If the software from Seattle is designed to covertly exfiltrate information, they won't even know it. |
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| ▲ | hsuduebc2 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That's why I used the "somehow". But abiding your logic nothing is ever secured, which is ultimately true, but it could be illegal so detergent here is not the impossibility it self but potentional harsh punishment for breaking the law. |
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| ▲ | master-lincoln 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| We should forbid that if customer PII is involved |
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