| ▲ | mapleleaf1921 3 hours ago |
| I've run all 3 major OSes before. MacOS by far has the least bugs and kinda just works. My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. My windows days were plagued with battery issues. I feel like most Linux ricers wishs for a MacOS-like experience, except with more customisation. (Which is entirely possible now with the ricing on Mac) |
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| ▲ | rglullis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. This is the kind of dated argument that really makes me dismiss most of the critics. I was running xubuntu as my main desktop since 2010 at least, switched to Debian + nix + XFCE in 2022 and switched to full-on nixOS in 2024. I never had issues with audio then and had to go out of my way to "break" audio on NixOS when I wanted to try pipewire instead of pulse. > feel like most Linux ricers wises for a MacOS-like experience I've put together a Hackintosh once, tried for a few weeks as the daily driver. Aside from being able to use tools that dealt with real-time audio processing, there was nothing else I wanted to copy or bring to my Linux system. It cemented my opinion that most software developers that keep touting the "superiority of MacOS" never gave a fair shot at Linux on decent hardware and were just rationalizing their prior choice. |
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| ▲ | eightysixfour 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Earlier this year I built a new desktop and installed my normal Linux distro and the screen wouldn’t work after login. I worked on it for a day, still couldn’t get any desktop except a terminal.Tried a different distro, it booted but no matter what resolution or refresh rate, the display showed severe artifacts when scrolling. Tried to fix it for a few days, gave up. I am not a Linux novice, I have been using every major OS for decades at this point, but I’ll be damned if I didn’t install Windows, decrapify it, and everything just worked. You can say I should have done more research on hardware compatibility or whatever, but I didn’t have to for Windows. And I like how you complain most devs never give Linux a fair shot on decent hardware right after describing that you MacOS experience is a hackintosh. That makes a lot of sense. | | |
| ▲ | rglullis 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > And I like how you complain most devs never give Linux a fair shot on decent hardware right after describing that you MacOS experience is a hackintosh. I'm not saying that I was expecting to run a Hackintosh and suddenly get the advantages of Apple hardware. I am doing a pure software-to-software comparison. There was no application in the MacOS desktop that made me feel like I was missing out on something. Of all the tools that I am used to use - emacs + developer tools, email clients, messaging clients, media players, media managers, browsers, the occasional office productivity - none of the MacOS counterparts had any significant advantage over what I have in a Linux desktop. | | |
| ▲ | eightysixfour 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > I am doing a pure software-to-software comparison. I would argue this is impossible at this point. Most of the benefits of the entire Apple ecosystem are about integration - Macbook Pros are the fastest machines with the best battery life because of the great hardware but also the software integration. > There was no application in the MacOS desktop that made me feel like I was missing out on something. Of all the tools that I am used to use - emacs + developer tools, email clients, messaging clients, media players, media managers, browsers, the occasional office productivity - none of the MacOS counterparts had any significant advantage over what I have in a Linux desktop. This isn't really comparing OSes is it? You're comparing software that runs on the OS. Every tool I have on my linux machines I have an equivalent tool for on Mac, or I use the same tool, but the Macbook with MacOS is a workhorse that I can trust to "just work." I don't think desktop Linux is bad, not by any means, and there are reasons I still go to it first on my personal machines until something forces me to make a different decision, but I also get tired of Linux users telling all of us that our experiences are old and all of these issues are fixed when they're just not, even if that isn't Linux' or the distro's fault. | | |
| ▲ | rglullis 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | If you are willing to give the advantage to MacOS due to the integration with the hardware, then you should only judge Linux when provided on hardware from Linux-centric vendors like system76, Tuxedo, Starlite and Framework. |
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| ▲ | gf000 21 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I can easily tell you a story of the same with the two OSs reversed. It's no longer 2016, pretty much every hardware worth their salt has good, or better Linux support, with the possible exception of some random RGB led not being controllable out of the box (though usually it's not out of the box either on windows). Like outside of desktop, Linux is the most prevalent operating system and it's not even close. |
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| ▲ | jorvi an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | MacOS has solved laptop suspend since the 2000s. Windows and Linux still struggle with this, especially due to the switch from S3- to S0ix-style sleep. Modern Apple laptops seem less special now but you also have to look at them through the lens of their introduction. A similar thing is true for Sonos. They don't seem all that special now, but you have to realize they have been offering multi-room synced audio with a good UX since 2006. That's before the iPhone even was released. | | |
| ▲ | rglullis an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > MacOS has solved laptop suspend since the 2000s. On Apple hardware. Call me when you put MacOS on any random laptop and get suspend to work. | | |
| ▲ | gf000 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Yeah, it's not that hard if the hardware is high quality and of small number of known types. Windows and Linux is judged by whether it works on any hardware, including the so-cheap-it-should-not-have-been-produced-ever machines, that will obviously just plain suck. No amount of software can save shitty hardware. | |
| ▲ | skydhash 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Hard to agree with those critics when the OS is doing the right thing, but the hardware won't play ball. The reason there's so much code in the Linux kernel is for various shenanigans that hardware vendors came up with. Yesterday I was looking at how HDMI audio is being implemented. From the specs, it looks quite nice with support for PCM and rates supported sent via EDID, but there's like 5 implementations for that one, 3 of them handling hacks by the GPU vendors. |
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| ▲ | com2kid 8 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Windows had working suspend to disk with Windows XP then they messed it up trying to get a more tablet like experience. :/ |
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| ▲ | TingPing 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In my personal experience macOS is fine but updates are often buggy or regress performance. Linux has just been the more polished option. Plus it just has a nicer desktop and apps. |
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| ▲ | alemanek 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I stay 1 major version behind with MacOS. If you do that you should have a pretty stable experience. You still get all the security patches but skip most bugs/regressions. | | |
| ▲ | jijijijij 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Linux got this philosophy made distribution called Debian. What kind of argument is that for OS experience and stability? |
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| ▲ | dwedge 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I use macos because of the battery life and because I want a Linux like experience without wondering if some weird software a company update forces on us will work, like citrix desktop or their random vpn client. But for someone who spends most of their time in the terminal, and the rest of the time in a browser, macos has some really annoying quirks especially when it comes to window management |
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| ▲ | Escapado 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "entirely possible" is a bit of a stretch. You can install some hacky WM and sketchybar but system settings, workspace three finger scroll speed, the finder app, window chrome, login screen etc are not something that can easily be changed. And the default apps are really not that great for power users. Calendar, Mail and Finder are all slow, dumbed down and only very superficially customizable. I daily drive an M2 Pro MBP and I was running a Linux desktop up until 2 years ago and I felt like there were barely any limits to customizing the latter while I have to fight macOS at every step if I want to do something that apple does not want me to do. |
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| ▲ | graemep 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not a problem I have had on Linux. Some people seem to get better battery life with Windows than with Linux. Most users on any OSes are not ricers. Most of my customisation is functional - panels and widgets placed for practical reasons. A lot of people do not seem to customise at all, or barely. |
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| ▲ | OsrsNeedsf2P 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Ricing is big, but I also like the hackability and development friendly environment of Linux that isn't there on Macbooks (been running MacOS as a secondary for ~5yrs now) |
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| ▲ | ifwinterco 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| MacOS is also optimised for M series chips in a way that realistically no linux distribution ever will be. Definitely good to have the option, but you'll most likely never get quite the same performance or battery life on linux |
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| ▲ | exe34 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > My variosu Linux adventures have always resulted in doing random patches for audio or screen incompatibility. Is that on Mac hardware? I run a 14 year old Mac Book Air, and it works flawlessly with the latest Nixos, and has done for the last 11 years. If you have issues on random PCs, it's because there are an enormous variety of them out there, with all kinds of incompatibilities that have to be worked around. On Mac hardware, there tends to be a more restricted number of variants, and after a few years, Linux becomes rock solid on them. So the OP is correct, Linux on Mac hardware is the best combo. |
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| ▲ | CamouflagedKiwi an hour ago | parent [-] | | A 14 year old Macbook Air is an Intel Mac, AFAIK most hardware is pretty well supported. M series Macs are still very much a work in progress. I'm typing this on one, in Linux, so plenty of things work, but not for example USB-C output to an external display, and a lot of the processor power level / suspend stuff is still not fully there so battery life is quite a bit worse, especially when suspended. I think the situation is rather worse on the latest generation hardware, too. |
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| ▲ | dangus 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Liquid Ass enters the chat, Apple can’t even make rounded corners anymore. I was burned by the 2016 MacBook Pro keyboard, and once Liquid Ass was announced I knew it was time to get out. Sold my MacBook Pro M2 Pro, which has a stupid gigantic notch that blocks the menu bar items with no built-in mechanism for getting to them when they overflow. Now I’m on a Framework 13” and I’ve had zero issues with Linux. Everything just works. KDE Plasma is way more customizable than macOS or Windows. I’m finally able to ditch slow Homebrew and use a real package manager. I can finally play light PC games on my laptop without dealing with streaming or Crossover. My preorder is in for the Framework 13 Pro, which looks to get even closer to delivering a MacBook Pro for Linux. Meanwhile, Apple hasn’t changed their chassis design in 5 years, while Framework updates their hardware constantly while maintaining cross-compatibility. A company with less than 500 employees is catching up to a trillion dollar corporation. I’ve already got my fully modular LPCAMM RAM delivered and ready with no Apple tax. I’ll get better battery life watching YouTube videos than a MacBook Pro and the graphics are just as powerful as the M5 base chip. And if something breaks I won’t have to deal with the nightmare I went through with my 2016 MacBook Pro. |