Remix.run Logo
brabel 5 hours ago

They agreed that war was a thing of the past, but still continued to push for NATO to allow new members anyway, ironically causing Russia (and China and everyone who is NOT in NATO) to suspect that war was NOT a thing of the past and therefore never quite abandoning their military completely. Unpopular opinion: the West should either NEVER have abandoned its military production (so as to maintain NATO actual preparedness for war, given that's the only reason for its existence) OR it should just have dismantled NATO and announced to the world that it strongly believes war is a thing of the past, and that other countries are advised to follow suit. But we actually chose the easy, halfway path: keep NATO, keep our militaries "looking strong" (which gives the signal our rivals should also do the same, obviously), but not actually be ready for any sort of major war and as the article points out, even lose actual capacity to become ready for war within any realistic timeframe. The worst possible outcome :(.

avmich 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It could be matching theory for outcome though. The unpopular opinion may still be wrong too. Russia was quite different in 1999, or better in 1992, to the point of joining NATO, and China was nowhere the threat of today, and it could be different reasons- not keeping NATO - which caused today's standup. So, basically, the situation seem to be more complex.

LtWorf 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

USA had no part in that push?

0xDEAFBEAD 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

NATO expansion was pretty controversial in the US

https://time.com/archive/6731121/how-clinton-decided-on-nato...

bluGill 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Perhaps but the US was pushing NATO to invest more in war for years suggesting they didn't believe war was in the past

don_esteban 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Correction: The US was pushing NATO to invest more in US gear.

bluGill 2 hours ago | parent [-]

That was the hope but nothing stopped the EU from making their own stuff.

don_esteban 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Nothing, only the gentle hand of US influence over their internal affairs, and the typical nationalistic bickering among themselves.

bluGill an hour ago | parent [-]

Those are impediments for sure, but they are not blockers, and if they had the will, they would have overcome that. Most, probably all NATO countries do have their own military industrial complex of some sort and the US is buying from them. Although, it certainly is the case that the US is the largest supplier of military equipment and so, yes, the US would benefit most from efforts to increase military spending.

don_esteban an hour ago | parent [-]

I agree, the will was never there.

We will see whether the new realities of the war in Ukraine and Trump's approach to Europe will substantially change that.

The whole economic and societal tensions in the west make things tougher...

LtWorf 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That's because they have more to gain from that.