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blackjack_ 4 hours ago

Yes. You just eat beans a lot. After a few months it stops making you gassy until you eat a type of bean you have never eaten before and then you are back to square one.

Source: vegan who eats beans with 75+% of meals

enaaem 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Reminds me of the cure for lactose intolerance: You just have to keep drinking milk until your microbiomes adapts.

esperent 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

An article on this did the rounds a few months ago and suddenly everyone quotes it as gospel truth.

Unfortunately, it's not. What will happen is that you'll get somewhat better at digesting lactose as your gut bacteria learn to partially compensate for your lack of ability to produce lactase enzyme.

If you're only slightly lactose intolerant that might be sufficient. But for many people it would just make a bad health issue into a slightly less bad healthy issue.

Not great when there's a clear and obvious full cure available: don't eat dairy if you can't digest it.

Or maybe lactase enzyme pills. I've tested them for an occasional slice of cheese cake and they seem to work if I get the timing right.

weird-eye-issue 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I didn't know I was lactose intolerant for a long time and thought it was some other issue so I kept having dairy daily for well over a year. It never went away.

finger 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That seems like a very shitty cure..

But on a more serious note, does that actually work, even if just a bit?

thunfischtoast 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm nitty picking now, but for most people you can't cure lactose intolerance because it's not a disease. It's more like the default state that adult mammals have. You might be able to rebuild some tolerance, but it's much easier to just take the artificial lactase and manage intake. One could argue that, biologically speaking, lactose tolerance is the off state and just so happens because we keep consuming breast milk well into adulthood (just not our own mother's).

finger 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Hmm, I’ve been intolerant my whole life, but I also used to drink milk daily during childhood, resulting in, for reasons I now know why, in a subpar youth ..

having discovered the lactase supplement has finally given me some peace of mind :)

awesome_dude 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah - humans have adapted to be able to use milk(s) from other sources than parents for the high sugar and fats present and required to survive in harsher climates (cold) that we're not native to.

Milks, butters, and cheeses are a high value food source for people who burn massive amounts of calories to keep their bodies warm.

aw-engineer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this youtuber presents herself as a case study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h90rEkbx95w she also cites references

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polishdude20 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes.

ssl-3 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Maybe? What follows is just my own dumb anecdotes.

For a long time, I sometimes had issues. I'd keep anti-diarrhea pills in stock at home. I kept some in the car. I even had some in blister packs my wallet (they'd get smashed up over time, but they still worked in powdered form and the desperation was very real).

I didn't know why that was a problem, but I definitely knew it was a real problem and that it could erupt at any time, so I treated the symptoms when that was useful to me. Sometimes, those shitty days on the toilet were intense. They'd wreck me, physically and mentally, for far longer than I want to think about.

Eventually, after decades, I noticed a pattern: Milk. Days when I drank milk or ate ice cream were much more likely to be problematic than days when I did not.

But then, I noticed that some other milk products like cheese were usually just fine. And that made sense and fit the pattern well, because the fermentation of cheesemaking reduces lactose very significantly.

And I like milk. So, experimentally, I started buying lactose-free milk. This worked well, but it was expensive and it tastes different. That helped to further define the pattern.

I started buying cheap lactase tablets instead, in bulk. That saved a fair bit of money, tasted good, and it also worked fine. This also reinforced the observed pattern.

Somewhere along the line, I became interested in kefir, so I bought some completely non-mystical mass-produced kefir from the grocery store and drank some.

Kefir treated me fine (yay fermentation). I found that adding a bit of kefir to a glass of milk also worked: That was never problematic at all, even without lactase tablets. (And it let me stretch that delicious, to me, kefir flavor out over a larger volume -- which also saved some money.)

I found that these observations strongly suggested to me that I was lactose-intolerant.

This went on for a long time; several years. Lactase or kefir, with milk, in various amounts -- whenever I felt like it. I thought I was proactively managing my apparent lactose intolerance very effectively. And by observation, I was indeed doing so. Keeping active stock of anti-diarrhea pills always nearby was reduced to kind of a fuzzy memory.

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And then one day, I wanted a nice big ice-cold glass of milk, so I poured myself one. I went to the cabinet in the kitchen, but the lactase bottle was empty. I went to the fridge, and the kefir was gone.

So there I am, with a big glass of milk and nothing to help me digest it.

My health-and-sanitation spidey-sense refuses to let me pour stuff back into containers, and my dread for waste refused to let me pour it down the drain.

So I drank that milk. It was every bit as delicious as I expected.

And I expected (anticipated) the worst, but nothing bad happened. Everything was fine.

One sample isn't a trend, so I had more later. That was fine, too.

Weeks went by, then months. Now years. No issues: Milk goes in, and everything comes out properly.

I can have milk without assistance whenever I want, and that's fine. The previous and clearly-evident pattern that suggested lactose intolerance has become broken.

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So now I don't have lactase tablets in stock anymore. I still drink the least-fancy milk I can get at the grocery store whenever it suits me.

I do enjoy some kefir from time to time (I love the taste of it), but I haven't had any of that for several months now either.

And I'm still fine. I'm doing really well in that area, really.

I'll leave it to the microbiologists to explain the hows and the whys; that's not my field of study. All I know is that this aspect of my life is way, waaaaaaay better than it was.

I'm very deliberately not providing causation or theories here. This is just my story, and I'm sticking to it.

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(Now, someone reading this probably has some questions that are shaped like "Holy hell. Decades? Why didn't you at least go to the doctor or something?"

And that has a simple, dumb-as-bricks, one-word answer: 'Murica.)

thisislife2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Or you can drink camel milk and then slowly move on to bovine milks.

mixedmath 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was very surprised to see that the article explicitly says it will not consider this answer!

tptacek 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If Dave Arnold says he really doubts it, it's a pretty safe bet he's read like a dozen papers related to the prediction and is basing it on something. He's like the Bunnie Huang of cooking.

dandellion 2 hours ago | parent [-]

In the article the only explanation he gives is that it doesn't make sense to him, doesn't mention any papers or anything at all. But I'm pretty certain that he's wrong and it works. The difference in gas if I've been eating beans recently vs if I haven't eaten them in a couple of months is not just "I feel like maybe I get a little bit less gassy maybe" it's going from "two dozen farts at least, guaranteed" vs "one or two, if any at all" it's a night and day difference and if there even was a paper that says the contrary rather than change my mind I'd just assume that there must be something wrong with how the study was made. Of course, I'm just a sample of one and I haven't done any study either, so I don't mean to imply that there might not be other factors or that it may not work to the same degree for everybody, only that I'm pretty sure that dismissing it is wrong because I know at least one counter example.

raddan 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

More anecdata here. For various health reasons, about six months ago I started eating beans every day for lunch. At first it was… intense. But within a few weeks, the gas entirely disappeared. I now have no issues whatsoever.

FWIW, some beans are easier on my system than others. Kidney beans (sadly), my favorite, can be murder if you don’t cook them thoroughly enough. Lentils, on the other hand, seem to be pretty gentle. They also soak up whatever flavor they are cooked in so they are a great “starter bean” if you want to eat a more vegetarian diet.

jack_pp 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

well if your solution is to eat beans with 3/4 meals and I STILL need to social distance for a few months while I acclimate then that's not really the best solution now is it?

toast0 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I'd guess you might get more prosocial results by ramping up slowly. Start eating beans twice a day, but start with very small portions.

krackers 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>After a few months it stops making you gassy

What causes this? Gut microbiome adapting? Doesn't that imply there should be some probiotic-type supplement you can take to seed these bacteria and keep them alive even when not eating beans?

apothegm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I believe it has to do with competition with other bacteria. The gas-producing ones have to die off, too, and they thrive on non-bean diets.

meroes 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't know if you can have it all, bacteria wise.

brewcejener 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly. The gut microbiome adjusts and cultivates bacteria that feeds more efficiently or even cross feeds on gases produced by other bacteria.

girvo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Correct, signed another vegan :)

Unscientifically, it feels like your gut microbiome adjusts to it after a while!

shermantanktop 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

YMMV and people differ. Source: vegetarian who eats a lot of beans too. Beanzyme is a lifesaver.