>The remaining piece is to speak with some personal references to verify they did some real work.

Not a thing where I am. You can BS your way in these jobs and so many people did.

There's no LEETCODE for management positions, just bullshitting smooth-talk and using your connections (nepotism).

hn_throwaway_99 16 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, quite frankly, you work in a shitty place then that doesn't know how to competently interview for these positions.

There are real differences in the knowledge and work behavior of great PMs and the bullshitters, and it's usually not that hard to tease out the bullshit in an interview if you know what you're doing.

	▲	joe_mamba 12 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>Well, quite frankly, you work in a shitty place then that doesn't know how to competently interview for these positions. I was talking about a country, not a workplace, and franky, so what? I can't change that. What I can do, is tell you how it is, and how the system gets exploited. If you live in some magic utopia where things are different(the US maybe?), good for you, but this information doesn't change anything for me where I live. Best I can do is adapt and exploit the system in my favor as well if I can the same the rest do, otherwise I get left behind by the unscrupulous clueless scammers who do.