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joe_mamba 2 days ago

>You're arguing in extremely bad faith, as usual with this topic.

Care to explain your wild accusations. I never attacked you directly, just the points you made.

>Doctolib, Revolut, Adyen, Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens, and tons of others I can't be bothered to list.

Do those make anything the US or China can't? A doctor appointment scheduling app? Seriously?

>You think industrial controllers don't have a moat?

I never mentioned industrial controllers. Just the chips and microcontrollers those companies make.

>There is more to the world that state of the art.

If you like competing in low margin race to the bottom jobs, sure. Just don't be surprised your tech wages are low then.

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sofixa 2 days ago | parent [-]

> Care to explain your accusations. I never attacked you directly, just the points you made.

You twisted "national successess" to "mon and pop shop". It's a typically American argument "unless it's the global behemoth that has a global monopoly in the domain, it's a failure", which is, frankly, absurd. Would you say Venmo is a failure because they're not used outside of the US (because other countries have better banking infrastructure)? Or that GM are a failure because they barely sell outside the US (because their cars are not adapted to other markets)? Or that United Healthcare Group are a failure because they only operate in the US?

Leboncoin are a massive peer to peer marketplace in France and a few neighbouring countries (IIRC Belgium), like Craigslist or Facebook Marketplace. They do a couple of hundred million in annual revenue. They are, undoutedly, a local success story. Are they a failure because they don't rival Ebay or Facebook Marketplace? No, because that would assume that the goal of each and every business is to become a global behemoth monopoly, which is an impossibility.

Similarly, Doctolib run healthcare appointment and everything related (online appointnments, digital prescriptions, secure storage and sharing of medical data like test results, AI voice note taking assistants for doctos, etc.) in France, and are expanding in a few neighbouring countries. In France they are the standard and pretty much what everyone uses. They are undoubtedly a success.

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joe_mamba 2 days ago | parent [-]

> It's a typically American argument "unless it's the global behemoth that has a global monopoly in the domain, it's a failure"

1. I'm not American, I'm European. And cool it with this finger pointing around nationality as I never brought it up. We can't have a civil discussion if you resort to identity politics as an argument.

2. I said no such thing. I never called those companies failures. You're the one saying that by twisting my arguments.

And those online marketplaces and doctor apps you mentioned that are "local success stories" don't have invented any core tech that can be exported and monetized globally the same like Microsoft, Intel, AMD, Nvidia, etc can. export products abroad, they just used existing FOSS technologies to build some local websites in the EU. Any other country on the planet can build their own versions of those apps, and they have, from India to Argentina. It's nothing special the EU made here. So how you can consider them in the ballpark of the tech companies before is beyond me.

	▲	sofixa 2 days ago \| parent [-]
		> I'm not American, I'm European. And I didn't say you're American, just that you're using the traditionally American bad faith argument. > I never called those companies failures You just called them "mom and pop shops". > And those online marketplaces and doctor apps you mentioned that are "local success stories" don't have invented any core tech that can be exported and monetized globally And that's a different argument altogether. Not everything has to be core tech exportable all over, and one can be very successful without doing that. If you're looking for core tech developed by European countries exported all around the world, enjoy Airbus, Siemens, Infineon, Alstom, Spotify, DeepMind (ok they were acquired by Google), VLC, ASML, SAP and plenty of others. > Microsoft > they just used existing FOSS technologies Can you explain to me the difference between using FOSS and proprietary software to build a product, and what Microsoft are doing?