| ▲ | chrischen 2 days ago |
| Whether a country massacres its own people is not really a good litmus test since there are countries that treat its own citizens well but foreigners really badly. One such country is… oh the US! |
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| ▲ | roamerz 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| How could you think those two, massacring your own people and buying plane tickets home for people illegally here are on the same scale at all. We are not ideal here at all but we don’t do that and I think if it were tried there would be an uprising against whoever was calling that unimaginable shot. |
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| ▲ | z2 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | You might be omitting the foreigners that are not in the United States that are being treated rather badly by the United States. I suspect that's what GP was referring to. | |
| ▲ | skrtskrt 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How about the US massacring more civilians around the world than any empire since Ghengis Khan? | | |
| ▲ | breppp a day ago | parent [-] | | Nazis? Soviets? CCP? Spanish Empire? How are you doing the math? | | |
| ▲ | skrtskrt a day ago | parent [-] | | You only need the Native Americans, the US share of transatlantic slave trade, Bangladesh, Indonesia, and Iraq for the US to be well clear of the Nazis. This doesn’t even touch the Guatemalan genocide, US backing of the Rwandan genocide perpetrators, the white terror, Pinochet, the Khmer Rouge, Afghanistan, or Israel. | | |
| ▲ | breppp a day ago | parent [-] | | I'd like to see the numbers please, how that gets close to 50 million dead by the CCP, and I can't fathom how do you attribute the Khmer Rouge genocide committed by a communist party to the USA or others on the list |
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| ▲ | LeFantome 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If I did not know better, I would assume you did not know about the government murdering its own citizens and/or buying plane tickets for citizens to countries that have never been their homes. Did I miss the uprising? | |
| ▲ | platinumrad 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | How about bombing a school? | | | |
| ▲ | Ar-Curunir 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | There are plenty of people who are here legally being shackled in chains and deported too. Also, nice try propagandizing chained deportation as “free plane tickets” |
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| ▲ | unethical_ban 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is a really, really messed up opinion. Who cares if a country installs a panopticon to monitor their citizens and runs them over with tanks, look at this other thing over here. |
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| ▲ | platinumrad 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yeah that "other thing over here" is totally irrelevant. It's not like it's the actions of the second country in the comparison or anything like that. Suppose country A kills 1000 people and country B kills 1000000 people and people are criticizing country A for murder while calling country B a better alternative. What is relevant here? |
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| ▲ | incrudible 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You sincerely think a country that massacres its own people is better than the relatively good conduct of the US during war (or the treatment of foreigners on its soil)? |
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| ▲ | platinumrad 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Why do we keep on getting into these wars in the first place? | |
| ▲ | HPsquared 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Good conduct during offensive warfare" is one of those contradictory expressions like "clean coal". |
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| ▲ | spwa4 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Are you implying China treats foreigners well? |
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| ▲ | platinumrad 2 days ago | parent [-] | | How many schools has it bombed recently? | | |
| ▲ | spwa4 2 days ago | parent [-] | | In it's entire existence? I believe it shot up a couple tens of thousands of schools during the cultural revolution, and not by mistake. But yeah, I guess that's not bombing. China clearly prefers shooting the students, keeping the building. Why are you changing the subject? | | |
| ▲ | platinumrad 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Am I changing the subject? I thought we were discussing treatment of foreigners and I am detailing a very recent example of how the US treated foreigners. | | |
| ▲ | spwa4 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Yes, the question was if you want to claim China treats foreignors well, and was a reference to that China 1) conquers places, e.g. Hong Kong, Tibet, Xinjang, ... 2) kills, "disappears", ... the people there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSypV2ixjE 3) China's CCP has been pushing out immigrants, and fostering racist sentiment | | |
| ▲ | platinumrad 2 days ago | parent [-] | | If we're saying that China has "conquered" places like Tibet and Xinjiang then surely the United States has done much worse to the entire land mass it occupies. But honestly, I'm very much opposed to nationalism so I'm not interested in historical claims, even though China's historical claims are much much stronger. What's relevant in both cases is that the United States and China both have both de facto and de jure control over their present territories. > Hong Kong Did India conquer itself when the British returned rule of India to Indians? > China's CCP has been pushing out immigrants, and fostering racist sentiment It's a little more complicated than this. I think the level of racism at both the state and individual levels is similar between China and western countries, although it may manifest in different ways. | | |
| ▲ | spwa4 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | Hong Kong did not, and by all indications does not, want to be Chinese. Talk to a few Cantonese Chinese in Australia: they especially do not want it. Tibet did not, and by all indications does not, want to be Chinese. Xinjang did not, and by all indications does not, want to be Chinese. I hate historical claims. There are disputed territories less than 10km from where I live, and if at all possible, I'd like there not to be a war here. I doubt there's many places where that's not the case. I know there's some, but not many. |
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