| ▲ | greg_dc 4 hours ago |
| In fairness, is this any worse than what Palantir will do with the whole countries NHS records? And they're being paid by the government to do it! |
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| ▲ | Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > In fairness, is this any worse than what Palantir will do with the whole countries NHS records? I don’t get this trend of seeing bad thing happen and then commenting that other bad thing exists and therefore “in fairness” we should downplay it. Bad things are bad. Comparing them to other things we don’t like doesn’t make them less bad. I don’t like Palantir either but they’re not intentionally leaking health details so this comparison doesn’t even make any sense. |
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| ▲ | cassianoleal 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > they’re not intentionally leaking health details To many, they are. They're leaking information that has been trusted to the NHS to their own databases. The fact that it's being done under government contract and (arguably) within the law shouldn't immediately make it any less bad. | | |
| ▲ | shawabawa3 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > The fact that it's being done under government contract and (arguably) within the law shouldn't immediately make it any less bad. Of course it should, to say otherwise is absurd what, the NHS shouldn't have _any_ subcontracting? All data must only be held by sacred NHS monks in a vault somewhere? As long as palentir are holding the data on UK servers, to modern data security standards, and they have a contract to do so, they should be able to | | |
| ▲ | panta 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | no, they should not, since we already know that the contract won't stop them from using that data for other purposes and other governments. A government should act in the interest of its own citizens, first and foremost, and not pretending to believe a pinky swear by a notoriously bad actor. | | | |
| ▲ | duskdozer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why subcontract with public money to a private for-profit enterprise whose main goal is not the public good? |
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| ▲ | estearum 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Is allowing random malicious actors to buy health data worse than allowing NHS's own employees to interact with that data productively? yes |
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| ▲ | chromehearts 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Palantir may not be random but it's certainly a malicious actor | | |
| ▲ | jdross 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | "certainly" is doing a lot of work here. I'm not "certain". In fact the people I have spoken to who have worked on Palantir platform were deeply suspicious of their users treating data with respect, and so built security and immutable auditability as foundational tech. | | |
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| ▲ | philipallstar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The NHS does it so badly that they brought in Palantir. | | |
| ▲ | estearum 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | ... which provides software to help NHS personnel utilize their own data... | | |
| ▲ | DrewADesign 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yeah. The data vacuum whose CEO loves to talk about how effectively their software helps the US government kill people is exactly who should have unfettered access to extremely intimate details of many people’s existence, without their permission. | | |
| ▲ | estearum 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Good data infrastructure can be used for all sorts of things If anything, the fact the US IC, DOD, NIH, and NHS trust the software with such sensitive and operationally critical data is positive signal Do you believe these customers don't audit systems/processes that they put their data into? |
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| ▲ | rafram 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Palantir develops database software. |
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| ▲ | jameshart 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | … As part of an explicit, openly stated mission to reshape the global political order. Palantir is indeed in many ways just a software vendor but we shouldn’t downplay that they have a much more explicit agenda than most other companies do in seeking government contracts. | | |
| ▲ | rafram 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Eh. I mean, the government will do what the government will do with the software it buys. We've just seen that with Anthropic. The US government wouldn't give contracts to Palantir if it seemed like its ideology didn't line up with US aims, and they wouldn't give contracts to other vendors if it seemed like their less ideological marketing meant they weren't aligned with US aims. |
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| ▲ | camochameleon 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | “Palantir is here to disrupt and make the institutions we partner with the very best in the world and, when it’s necessary, to scare enemies and on occasion kill them,” Karp said, with a smile on his face. The CEO added that he was very proud of the work his firm is doing and that he felt it was good for America. “I’m very happy to have you along for the journey,” he said. “We are crushing it. We are dedicating our company to the service of the West, and the United States of America, and we’re super-proud of the role we play, especially in places we can’t talk about.” [1] [1] https://gizmodo.com/palantirs-billionaire-ceo-just-cant-stop... | | |
| ▲ | rafram 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes, that’s a bunch of bluster about database software. | | |
| ▲ | subscribed 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, Palantir is not a "database vendor", it's an intelligence company closely working with IOF in their ongoing genocidal efforts and with DHS with mass deportations. I'd rather see Oracle than a ghoul openly supporting targeting civilians. | | |
| ▲ | gzread 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Doesn't Oracle (or at least Larry Ellison) openly support extermination of civilians too? | | |
| ▲ | hansvm 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not ordinarily, at least not anymore. They cancelled Project Beanstalk in the late 2010s, now relying on the legal system to extract perceived debts. |
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| ▲ | jjice 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Both are bad |
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| ▲ | gilrain 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| “In fairness, this pot of water was already uncomfortably hot before [latest development] raised the temperature another few degrees closer to boiling.” …says a happy frog who will be as cooked as everyone else. |
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| ▲ | crimsoneer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Well, one is a thing that has happened, and one is a thing that hasn't happened. |
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