If you hire a house cleaner, and the house cleaner doesn't do a good job, would you fire yourself from the house? What repercussions will you personally suffer?

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NegativeK 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

If I had a roommate who spent huge swaths of our monthly budget on house cleaning we didn't need, I might tell them to go find another place to live.

Or to stop stretching metaphors.. The investors should be mad that the layoffs were even necessary.

	▲	ergocoder 2 days ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yes, and being mad is not 0 or 1. Investors are mad to a certain degree for a mishap, but then investors are also happy about something else. To continue analogy, Zuck has made $10,000 for shareholders and had a mishap of $1000. How much should Zuck be punished here? I don't have a good answer but it is certainly not firing himself for it.
	▲	IncreasePosts 2 days ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		But they were fine with the hiring in the first place. Making mistakes is allowed - it's worse to pretend like everything you did in the past was flawless. Also, Zuck controls 61% of the vote for Meta. Investors knew that it was his show when they invested

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jastuk 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you implying the 10% being fired are all bad workers? What if the house cleaner was not the problem here?

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9rx 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

A closer analogy would be that you asked the house cleaner to clean the pool house when you actually needed the main house cleaned. The house cleaner recognized that you asked for the wrong area to be cleaned, but went ahead and did it anyway, but did a great job cleaning the wrong thing.

The cleaner isn't the problem with respect to the cleaning itself, but what about the culpability in exploiting someone who has lost their mind? In this case Zuckerberg is willing to accept the exploitation that occurred in the past simply for what it is, but now that he has had a moment of clarity he also cannot let it continue.

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ergocoder 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ok, let's continue the analogy. The house cleaners weren't the problem. They are the best of the best at cleaning the pool.

You have the pool but now want to get rid of the pool.

You thought you liked the pool but you don't. It was your own mistake for wanting the pool and changing your mind.

Would you fire yourself from the house? You did make a mistake.

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jastuk a day ago | parent [-]

The missing bit is where you say "I take full responsibility for this situation", to the cleaners who's lives are impacted by this significantly more than yours.

> Would you fire yourself from the house?

You keep pushing this false framing/binary for some reason. You made a bad call, you lost the money, that's a given (a passive if you will). Where's the active "taking responsibility" part? That's the main critique.

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ergocoder 21 hours ago | parent [-]

> The missing bit is where you say "I take full responsibility for this situation" > Where's the active "taking responsibility" part?

But what is the implication of taking full responsibility? What actions would he be taking for "taking full responsibility"?

I don't think you meant you merely wanted the performative sound of "I take full responsibility for this situation" to come out of his mouth.

Without actions, the words mean nothing.

So, what would be the actions you were looking for here? I don't quite get it.

	▲	jastuk 20 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> I don't think you meant you merely wanted the performative sound of "I take full responsibility for this situation" to come out of his mouth. Without actions, the words mean nothing. 100% agree, and that's precisely the critique towards Mark as those words presumably came out of his mouth. > So, what would be the actions you were looking for here? Claw back his executive compensation, forfeit bonuses for the fiscal year and use that to fund better severance / transition support? There's smarter people than me who can answer this, I am merely pointing out and ridiculing this fake accountability and moral theater.

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noisy_boy 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

It is irrelevant if the workers did a good job. They are at the service and discretion of the house. The house, i.e. the owner, always remains. Until everything burns down. In case of Meta, pipe-dream, one can only hope.

	▲	jastuk 2 days ago \| parent [-]
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