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| ▲ | ben_w 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| As a non-American, everything you wrote other than "one party" applies to the current US regime. Relatively speaking, DeepSeek is less untrustworthy than Grok. When I try ChatGPT on current events from the White House it interprets them as strange hypotheticals rather than news, which is probably more a problem with DC than with GPT, but whatever. |
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| ▲ | eleventen 21 hours ago | parent [-] | | > When I try ChatGPT on current events from the White House it interprets them as strange hypotheticals rather than new Any specific examples? | | |
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| ▲ | oceanplexian 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > And the fusion with a one-party state government that doesn’t tolerate huge swathes of thoughtspace being freely discussed That would be a great argument if the American models weren’t so heavily censored. The Chinese model might dodge a question if I ask it about 1-2 specific Chinese cultural issues but then it also doesn’t moralize me at every turn because I asked it to use a piece of security software. |
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| ▲ | donbreo 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Just ask it to "name the states in india" or "what happened in 1989" |
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| ▲ | randomNumber7 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The USA has one of the highest percentages of their population in prison. Even for minor stuff like beeing addicted to drugs. Looks pretty totalitarian to me. |
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| ▲ | bdamm 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | And in China the state can harvest your organs for political crimes or even just being the wrong religion. Not quite the same. | | |
| ▲ | GordonS 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I think you're going to need to provide sources for such an outrageous and unbelievable claim. | | |
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| ▲ | thesmtsolver2 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Do you really trust China’s stats on prison population? Note: you can have this conversation criticizing the US on a US website. Try criticizing Xi or the CCP or calling him Pooh on a Chinese website. You think China doesn’t imprison drug users? China recently executed a low level drug trafficker https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2026/04/05/c... China is one of the top executioners. China executes more than rest of the world combined https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/04/china-must-co... You think China is honest about political prisoners in Tibet and Xinjiang? Criticize the US all you want but I can’t understand the whitewashing of a real totalitarian and genocidal state like mainland China. | | |
| ▲ | randomNumber7 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Both can be totalitarian. Both are shit imho. I just don't buy the argument that China is worse because of it. But if we start nitpicking the US also executes people all over the world without trial and has secret prisons worldwide where they put people (guess what) without trial. | |
| ▲ | chronc6393 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | mic drop |
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| ▲ | FuckButtons 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I’ll be sure to pick up my copy of the peoples daily to read about those statistics in the morning. |
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| ▲ | theshackleford 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive. This is why I’ve been urging everyone I know to move away from American based services and providers. It’s slow but honest work. |
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| ▲ | b65e8bee43c2ed0 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >This “no harm to me” meme about a foreign totalitarian government (with plenty of incentive to run influence ops on foreigners) hoovering your data is just so mind-bogglingly naive. yes, this is exactly what I'm saying. |
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| ▲ | danny_codes 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s an open model? So you can run it yourself if you want to |
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| ▲ | casey2 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Thousands of years with no invasions, hundreds of years with thousands of invasions. China is a nation built for peace, while western nations are built for war. |
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| ▲ | Paradigma11 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | The Dzungar would like to have a word with you, oh wait. | |
| ▲ | niek_pas 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hong Kong? Taiwan? Uyghurs? Tiananmen Square? Tibet? | | |
| ▲ | varrakesh 2 days ago | parent [-] | | China hasn't done anything with Taiwan other than saber-rattling. Hong Kong, Xinjiang, etc. are all part of China. The US is (mostly) protective of its citizens but (depending on administration) varyingly hostile to outsiders (immigrants, starting wars, etc.). China is suppressive towards its own citizens, but has been largely peaceful with other countries and immigrants/visitors. (Granted, China has way fewer immigrants than the US, so this is not comparable). |
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| ▲ | resonancel 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I believe China only got this huge because all its neighours couldn't help joining the peaceful middle realm \s |
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| ▲ | michaelt 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The oppression of people in China like Uyghurs and Hong Kong, the complete lack of free speech, the saber-rattling at neighbours, and the lack of respect for intellectual property are indeed all well documented. But for folks on the opposite side of the world, the threats are more like "they're selling us electric cars and solar panels too cheaply" and the hypothetical "these super cheap CCTV cameras could be used for remote spying" |
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| ▲ | t0lo 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And you're saying Americans aren't banned from criticising their elites? |
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| ▲ | resonancel 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Come back when Americans are routinely jailed for rubbing their elites the wrong way (in some countries, criticisms aren't the only way to rub the leaders the wrong way) | |
| ▲ | rhubarbtree 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Donald trump is a terrible president and looks like Winnie the Pooh. Keir Starmer is useless and a liar. Feel free to go post similar on Chinese social media about their leaders. | | |
| ▲ | jatora 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | This. America is an oligarchy. The political system is a joke facade with a revolving door to corporations. Your vote is meaningless, you dont actually have a choice. Media brainwashes the swaths.... but thought crime still isnt a reality here. | |
| ▲ | littlestymaar 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This would have worked a few years back, but now you can be detained at the US border for posting what you just did so it's a terrible example to pick. By the way, even with the current administration, there's no question about which is the more authoritarian with their own citizens between China and the US. But if you aren't American, then the US government is much more of a threat than the Chinese. China cannot make the life of an official in Europe miserable for investigating their atrocities towards the Uighurs, meanwhile CPI judges are now forcedly unbanked and cannot work with American software because they investigated in US's ally's atrocities in Gaza. | | |
| ▲ | rhubarbtree 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > China cannot make the life of an official in Europe miserable for investigating their atrocities towards the Uighurs Sure. China and America are the same. Go try the social media experiment. | | |
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| ▲ | nibman 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | tommica 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Pretty sure you guys have a strong laws about free-speech, and criticizing elites is part of that. Though there are some groups that do not really want the 1st amendment to be a thing. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > Though there are some groups that do not really want the 1st amendment to be a thing. The executive branch? | | |
| ▲ | tommica 2 days ago | parent [-] | | That would be a naïve perspective. | | |
| ▲ | mjamesaustin 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Foreigners are literally being denied entry into the country due to opposing viewpoints expressed on social media. People have to disable FaceID on their phones prior to going through customs in case an agent decides to investigate whether their political views are in opposition to the current administration. |
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| ▲ | xienze 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | > And you're saying Americans aren't banned from criticising their elites? Half the country would be locked up right now if they weren’t allowed to criticize Trump. Have you even paid attention to how much he’s shitted on, on a daily basis? |
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