>We have always been wary of AI generated code, but felt everyone is free to do what they want and experiment, etc. But, one of our own, Andy Kirby, decided to branch out and extensively use Claude Code, and has decided to aggressively take over all of the components of the MeshCore ecosystem: standalone devices, mobile app, web flasher and web config tools.

>And, he’s kept that small detail a secret - that it’s all majority vibe coded.

Without any more context, I am highly suspicious of this framing.

1) Someone "taking over" the ecosystem seems like an entirely different issue. How is this possible? Does it mean he's publishing things and people want to use them?

2) Is the code bad? It sounds like they had no idea he was using AI. That seems to imply there was nothing wrong with the code as-is. Why not judge it on it's merits?

>The team didn’t feel it was our place to protest, until we recently discovered that Andy applied for the MeshCore Trademark (on the 29th March, according to filings) and didn’t tell any of us.

Taking this at face value, this is indeed hostile and bad.

But no, I'm not going to get outraged that someone is simply using Claude Code.

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prism56 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Agreed. I use meshcore and have multiple repeaters setup. I don't care about people using ai assisted coding but I think it should be disclosed especially if its closed source.

Now the trademark take over seems crazy especially given Andy hasn't contributed to the github project, only personal for profit add ons.

I do also think that the meshcore core team have "tacked on" and tried to enforce a stronger narrative with their anti ai coding bias.

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consp 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> only personal for profit add ons

In that context it is quite logical to take a trademark out once the project is mature enough so you can profit off other people's work.

Considering their user base does not like the hidden vibe coded idea I don't think this is bias but a sane rationalisation.

	▲	bigiain 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		"I wrote an iPhone app, so now I have the right to trademark 'Apple'."

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IshKebab 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Is the code bad? It sounds like they had no idea he was using AI. That seems to imply there was nothing wrong with the code as-is. Why not judge it on it's merits?

Anyone that has used AI at all knows this isn't how it works. AI is extremely good at producing plausible-but-wrong outputs. It's literally optimised for plausibility, which happens to coincide with correctness a lot of the time. When it doesn't you get code that seems good and is therefore very difficult to judge on its merits.

With human written code it's a lot easier to tell if it's good or not.

There are exceptions to this - usually if you have some kind of oracle like that security work that used AddressSanitizer to verify security bugs, or if you're cloning a project you can easily compare the behaviour to the original project. Most of the time you don't have that luxury though.

	▲	SchemaLoad 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's also easy to overwhelm reviewers with far more code than they can possibly review. And it's also the hardest stuff to review where the code at surface level looks totally fine, but takes long hours of actual testing to make sure it works.