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throwup238 3 hours ago

Wait, you don’t even get a month of free credit monitoring?

tcgv 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My full name, phone number, and address were leaked by TAP Air Portugal about five years ago, along with the details of my parents who were on the same booking. Since then, my dad has been targeted by those types of scams where a fraudster impersonates me to ask for money.

I never received a notification from TAP; I only found out a year later through my Google One security feature. I certainly didn't get an apology—much less a free travel ticket!

Brybry 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The world of today is so weird sometimes.

When I was a kid most adults' full name, phone number, and address were available for free in the phone book.

Macha an hour ago | parent [-]

If the scam success rate is 0.1%, and it takes days to comb a phone book and put together a list of potential relationships and takes a human 10 minutes per phone call, the economics of scamming works out a lot less profitable than importing a data leak and emailing or robocalling everyone in the list.

ghm2180 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I do use an email alias everywhere. But I don't believe you can do the same with phone numbers. I tried using my twilio rented number and there is a way systems use to figure out if that is a real number for a person or a VoIP one. Though it is sometimes successful in use for signups and hence spam reduction.

Scoundreller 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Could set up 6 digit long extensions and only ever issue a few hundred of them in total.

Guess wrong 3x and goodbye.

Can also set some/most/all to go to voicemail so they can get in touch with you, but not really.

Or blackhole the invalid extensions to /dev/null voicemail but then you run the risk of legit misdials and you never get some important message.

The real vs “fake” number issue could be worked around by having your cell phone provider forward all calls to your VoIP number. It’s baked into gsm, don’t need a phone after initial setup: https://www.geckobeach.com/cellular/secrets/gsmcodes.php

tiagod 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That TAP data was leaked on a tor hidden service, in multiple files, and download was extremely slow on the days following the leak. One of the files was much smaller, and my friend had the bad luck to have his data in that one.

His phone was spammed so incessantly he had to change his number almost immediately.

VadimPR 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm dissatisfied about the TAP leak as well! I was affected, and like you, didn't even receive a notification - nevermind compensation for having leaked my personal data to the dark web enabling all sorts of shenanigans that make my personal life difficult.

nunobrito 2 hours ago | parent [-]

About 2 million portuguese there. Basically all active portuguese adults that have enough financial conditions to travel by airplane.

It was a fantastic leak, based from an excel file asked by a marketing department which forgot it inside a shared folder on the hacked (private) server. There was far more info there than just that, also included the details of employees and more interesting if they were on medical leave.

Curiously enough many of those employees were family members from politicians and well-known people. Some of those in long term sick leave were receiving a monthly salary while conducting live shows on festivals during the summer.

Nothing happened on the news. They all went silent about this case.

lostlogin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s scams all the way down.

lostlogin 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I never received a notification from TAP

They have been reporting millions in profits despite rising costs. What you propose would further elevate costs. Shareholders don’t want that.

gus_massa 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure about France, but here in Argentina all this info is assumed to be public. If you want a credit at a bank or shop, they ask for a physical copy of the national ID [1], probably a photocopy too, an electricity or water bill and perhaps other paperwork that is hard to get (verified phone number???).

[1] Do you want my number? It's inside this list:

  for i in range(1E9):
    print (i)
jerf 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Do you want my number? It's inside this list:"

You might find it interesting to learn a bit about information theory. The entire purpose of your specific number is precisely to identify which number in that list is yours. Having the list of all possible numbers is irrelevant. Conceptually you can model that as everyone has that, all the time. But that's not enough to do anything with, because having that list entire list means you have zero information.

If you say "it starts with an 8", you've eliminated 90% of the possibilities. Now you have log2(10) bits of information, but you haven't nailed it down yet. For each additional number you give you give that many more bits until you nail it down.

This is a common misconception people have. I remember someone who claimed to have copyright all possible melodies by virtue of having printed them out and thus enumerated them. But that is meaningless, because the entire job of naming a specific melody is precisely the nailing down of which one you mean. Expanding the list of possibilities you might mean is actually a reduction in the amount of information, despite the superficial appearance of listing more numbers out, and when you expand the possibilities out to "all possible instances of the thing" you're actually at the minimum of information, not the maximum.

vladvasiliu 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's supposed to be identifying information here. Usually, you can just send copies of those documents, which means that if you're looking to impersonate someone, you can easily produce fakes. And since everyone and their grandmother asks for these, people don't bat an eye and send them.

The coup de grace of security in France is signatures, though. Now, since you can't produce a physical signature over the internet, they'll ask for your phone number and send you a text with a code. Once you've entered it on their web form, you've proved undoubtedly you are who you say you are.

dspillett 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> in Argentina all this info is assumed to be public

Same here. You can probably can find my address and phone numbers fairly easily from my name by a number of methods. That doesn't mean it isn't bad when an organisation spews out, or allows to be sucked out, huge numbers of people's data. With a leak like this it is practical to try scam everyone the list, searching for each person's details individually, and having to enumerate those people in the first place⁰, would mean no such attack would scale in a way to make it worthwhile bothering¹.

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[0] This seems strange when you first think it, but: the most important thing being on such a list says about you, is that you are a real existing person, whose identity could be exploited somehow. That fact is what makes any other information valuable.

[1] except for high-worth targets, which is why spear-phishing is a thing

gus_massa 2 hours ago | parent [-]

> That doesn't mean it isn't bad when an organisation spews out, or allows to be sucked out, huge numbers of people's data.

I completely agree.

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Traubenfuchs 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If you are that unconcerned, why do you not provide us with your information right here and now?

Thaxll 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The credit system is not the same in Europe, first of all there is no such thing as credit rating and what not.

People don't have credit card like the one in US and Canada.

The vast majority use a debit card.

csnweb an hour ago | parent | next [-]

We do very much have credit rating in Germany, might be very different than the one in the US, don’t know theirs.

jampekka 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In UK there is. :(

ifwinterco 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Nothing like america though, lots of people (maybe the majority) cruise through life with 1-2 credit cards and occasionally apply for a mortgage without ever really thinking about their credit rating.

Being obsessed or even thinking about your credit rating in the UK is a bit of a minority reddit pursuit not something normal people do.

(Of course if you default on stuff you will need to think about it)

freedomben an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Heh, for real, it's maddening how often this is the "solution" to any breach. It's especially lovely when it comes from multiple companies at the same time, that may or may not have leaked your SSN.

dboreham 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fairly sure this is an ironic comment. (Credit monitoring is the useless thing companies give people in the US when their information is leaked -- everyone in the industry knows it's laughably unrelated to private information disclosure).

sofixa 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There is no such thing in France (or most countries for that matter). It's a pretty absurd system that gamifies and profits off heuristics, and results in a Kafkaesque nightmare where you can't get a job, rent a place or get a loan because of an arbitrary value assigned by a company with a profit motive. One that has no incentive to get things right or even get the right person.

How things work in France is much simpler and better. When you apply for a loan, the lender checks with Banque de France (national bank) if you have outstanding debts and if you've defaulted on any debts in the past 5 years. That's it, that and your proof of revenue is all they need.