> I don’t want to be signed up to your useless email marketing list,

useless is in the eye of the beholder.

If I didn’t specifically opt in to receiving marketing emails (and no, failing to opt out is not the same), they are spam. I’ve never heard anyone say “I’m sure glad this company added me to their email list without my request.”

The fact that you happen to work on a mailing list product does not change that reality.

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jgalt212 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I hear what you're saying, but irrespective of how one landed on such a list, the unsubscribe mechanism is broken. e.g. It's entirely possible and likely you've subscribed to one or more marketing lists, newsletters, transaction emails, etc that you want to be on, but your security software inadvertently unsubscribed you (without your permission).

	▲	lxgr 6 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		No, it's not, because I don't use shitty security solutions. If other people do and you are making me jump through hoops as a result to preserve your conversion rate, I'm reporting you to the relevant regulator. > the unsubscribe mechanism is broken Which one? Are you saying some security solutions actually send a `List-Unsubscribe`/`List-Unsubscribe-Post` compliant HTTP POST with the correct payload, or do you think a URL in the email body is the gold standard of allowing people to unsubscribe? Or are you just telling yourself that rationalization to avoid acknowledging that you're probably causing massive annoyance to many recipients?
	▲	dpark 2 days ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		I think this is extremely unlikely. Firstly because I almost never subscribe to newsletters or marketing lists. But also because I don’t believe my security software is submitting POSTs on random forms it finds links to. That would be insane behavior. I can believe someone, somewhere has insane security software that does stuff like that. But I don’t believe it’s common.
	▲	AnimalMuppet 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That I want to be on? No. What usually happens is that I give my email to somebody (an auto repair place, say), for one-time use, and they add me to their marketing mailing list, even though that is not what I gave them my email for. That is not a list that I want to be on and willingly subscribed to.

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mohamed_azeem 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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mohamed_azeem 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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kstrauser 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Useless is in the eye of the recipient. The sender doesn't get a vote.

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lxgr 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

And guess who's the beholder of your spam...