| ▲ | adamcharnock 9 hours ago |
| Up until a year ago I was regularly using a Massy Fergusson 135 [0] (Perkins Diesel version), made sometime in the 1970s. It was wonderful! So amazing to drive and use. Clunky and heavy, but you really really felt like you were using a machine. In low gears, if you put you foot down on the accelerator the engine would roar, and your speed would barely change! And there was no fancy technology in it at all. If I was in the forest and had forgotten the key, I'd just reach behind the dashboard and hot-wire it. The air filter was basically a shisha-pipe that bubbled the incoming air through wire wool and engine oil. Its fuel gauge didn't work either. You just had to take a look in the tank, or quickly react as soon as the revs started dropping. I ran it dry a few times and had to sit there with a spanner in one hand and YouTube into the other, while trying to bleed all the fuel lines. But they were all on the outside of the vehicle, which made it comparatively easy I imagine. I've never actually driven a modern tractor, so don't know how it compares. I imagine the clutch is easier on the knees these days! Anyway, this just felt like the place to share this. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massey_Ferguson_135 |
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| ▲ | beAbU 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I learnt to drive on one of those. I'm a city kid but my grandfather was a wool farmer. Every school holiday we'd visit and I's spend my days literally puttering around the farm, which was pretty huge (~2000ha). When I started out, 13ish or so, I had to stand on the clutch to get it down. If you gave it enough beans and dropped the clutch it'll pop a wheelie! (Don't tell my grandpa) |
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| ▲ | adamcharnock 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Honestly, I still had to practically stand on the clutch with mine! I'd teach someone to drive it and say, "now push down on the clutch". They they would heave and struggle, then eventually succeed and look victorious. I'd say, "well done, it is now half way down! But that's all you need for now!" EDIT: To fully explain: It has a two-stage clutch. You half-press it and it disconnects the wheels from the engine. If you fully depress it all the way to the floor, it additionally disconnects the power-take-off shaft (PTO) from the engine. The PTO shaft is a spindle on the back of the tractor which drives things like your flail mower, wood chipper, etc. EDIT 2: Edit 1 was for the general audience, not the parent commenter ;-) | | |
| ▲ | VorpalWay 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Why was the clutch so heavy? Did it serve some purpose or was it just due to the limitations of the technology at the time? I have certainly driven cars with lighter and heavier clutches (I live in EU, automatics weren't popular until recently and are still far from ubiquitous) but I couldn't tell you why every model just doesn't get a light clutch for comfort. A diesel Subaru I drove had a particularly heavy clutch as I recall, so at stop lights I would pop into neutral instead of holding the clutch down for an extended period. | | |
| ▲ | chabska 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | To deliver very high torque, the clutch plates needs to be pressed very hard together to generate enough friction. This also means that it take a lot of force to pull them apart, if you use a simple lever, as older machines do. Modern machines may use complex mechanical linkages to make the clutch easy to pull apart but still maintain a firm contact, but that also means higher cost and fragility. Or they use pneumatics or hydraulics to assist, sorta like power steering. | | |
| ▲ | sandworm101 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | That, and design tolerances. A fancy clutch can be light and strong (think ferarri) but farm machines need to work in the dirt/rust and so need larger tolerances. So heavier springs and bigger .... Bigger everything. A slipping clutch in a Ferrari is annoying. A slipping clutch on a tractor means a missed harvest. |
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| ▲ | npongratz 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > The PTO shaft is a spindle on the back of the tractor which drives things like your flail mower, wood chipper, etc. ... and kills/maims anyone with lose clothing trying to step over it! | | |
| ▲ | EvanAnderson 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Oh, god yes. I mowed using a Farmall H on a family farm when I was about 12 y/o. I don't remember ever having deadly serious conversations with family members up to that point in my life. All four grandparents, aunts and uncles-- it seemed like everybody-- sat me down, looked me dead in the eye, and told me sternly and bluntly "you turn off the PTO and see the shaft isn't turning before you get off the tractor. Every. Time." All of them knew somebody who lost an arm or leg or got killed when they got pulled into a PTO. That was probably the first time I'd ever been given the opportunity to operate a machine that would fucking kill me if I shirked on respecting it. I will never forget the tone of that communication. | | |
| ▲ | Ancapistani 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Without going too far into the weeds here, IMO this experience is representative of gun rights, zoning, and all sorts of other differences between urban and rural. Rural kids are put into situations where they are expected to rely fully on themselves, with life-or-death consequences, from a young age. When your pre-teen is driving a machine on their own that could easily kill them or those around them, giving them a .22 rifle is just... normal. It's not at all the same situation as a kid the same age who lives in an apartment and who may have never been in a place where no one would be close enough to hear them if they screamed for help. I can't wrap my head around the idea that a large number of people who live in cities seem to want to extend childhood through age 25. My daughters are 12 and 17, and between them have over fifty animals directly depending on them for survival. It's just... foreign. | | |
| ▲ | mikestorrent 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't "want" to extend childhood; but where I live makes it a little difficult to let my kids roam the way I did. Go too far one way and you're heading into busy highway traffic hell, go too far the other way and you're heading into hobo territory. Wish I could move; I could sell this overpriced place and almost retire.... not under my control | | | |
| ▲ | fsckboy an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Rural kids are put into situations where they are expected to rely fully on themselves, with life-or-death consequences, from a young age. come to the city, farm boy, and we'll give you a corner you can sling the brown from and we see how you do. we find something fo yo daughters to do too* *i have absolutely no street smarts, country or city, but I do watch Law & Order and know how to pound a nail and know what to grease the maitre d' to get into the hottest restaurants in town. and beyond that i got friends, some of these guys know people who know people, just sayin |
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| ▲ | dannycastonguay 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | He knew :) | |
| ▲ | PunchyHamster 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | That seems to be common, the communist-era tractor I was riding was pretty much "stand with full weight and still have to brace by the steering wheel to push it" Good that at least there wasn't much gear changing, pick one for task and just use it |
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| ▲ | woods42 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My grandfather had one of these, though gas powered. It may have been the Ford model, cannot remember, though his was built I believe in the late 40s / early 50s. One story that still makes me laugh, he couldn't start it one day, and asked my grandmother to give him a pulling start w/ their ford diesel pickup. One look and my about 12 year old self just knew she wanted to be anywhere else but there (some foreshadowing, she had a reputation for a lead foot). Grandpa had already tied a rope from the tractor to the truck, and I believe he was in maybe one of the lower gears ready to pop the clutch after he got up to speed. Grandma tore (yes, tore) out of the yard shifting gears, and she was accelerating down their long driveway headed for the main road as Grandpa started frantically waving his hat trying to get her to stop. I'm pretty sure he never asked her again to help start the tractor. And yeah, the tractor was started, probably in the first 50 feet of that episode. |
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| ▲ | pavel_lishin 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My dad had one of these, to support his farming hobby. (He used to joke that we ate fifty dollar cucumbers, and a hundred-dollar ear of corn.) It came in handy living in the country, when occasionally someone would get bogged down on a dirt road, and this thing would come to the rescue. |
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| ▲ | andrew_lettuce 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | My grandpa was a high school principal to support his love of farming, not because he wasn't dedicated, but because they wanted to survive |
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| ▲ | SanjayMehta 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Basic models still sell like hot cakes in India. I see them all the time. https://masseyfergusonindia.com/massey-ferguson/ |
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| ▲ | hypercube33 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I have the original 1940's Minneapolis Moline R and my wife has the original Farmall H and we both currently live in the city (but grew up farming or close to it) so we're not city kids, but somewhere stuck in between. I deeply get the feeling of using a non-tech machine, and how simple it is but intuitive to use. We used a pain mixing stick to check the gas level in our tractors on the farm, I don't think the gas gauges ever worked. You'd have to whack the starter with a wrench since they didn't ever work half the time. They worked over 60 years before they got their first oil change (my grandpa didn't believe in changing them - but my dad and I think it's just because you'll never get the canister filter to seal ever again if you did change it) Great memories. |
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| ▲ | Loughla 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Did yours have a foot feed for the accelerator? I've never seen one without a hand feed for the rpm's on the steering column. |
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| ▲ | beAbU 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The fancy ones had an accelerator pedal, but most just had the lever on the steering column. | | |
| ▲ | Loughla 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wild. We ran a 175 and 1100 for our daily tractors before Grandpa died and I quit farming (big ass John Deere machines for the real work at planting and harvest though). They're phenomenal little machines that can do 99% of what you need. It blows my mind that for years, Grandpa farmed with a little Ford smaller than the 175. I can't imagine planting with that thing. The ww2 generation really were tough as nails. |
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| ▲ | adamcharnock 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Mine and a pedal and steering column lever, so I guess I got one of the fancy ones! | | |
| ▲ | Loughla 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | So our main small tractors were a 175 and an 1100. The 1100 had a bucket but I would've killed for a bucket on that little 175. Man that thing was handy. You could drive it through the yard without leaving tire tracks. |
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| ▲ | yesbabyyes 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We used to have a really old Massey Ferguson, I think TE-20, at the family (moonshine) farm. It was finally retired around 15 years ago and replaced with a MF 165. I hear you about the clutch--sometimes I feel I can't even push it down far enough. I also love driving it, apart from the fact the hydraulics are somewhat off, so the front/rear lift won't ever stay in position. |
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| ▲ | aucisson_masque 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Still rocking one over here. The thing had not been maintained for 20 years while still being used, ran several times with almost no oil in the engine, drank gasoil full of water. And it still works. Things were made different back then. I looked up the manual, you got everything you need to repair it. Maintenance is extremely easy. Even have electric schema. Now my BMW, I looked into the manual how to change a light. It said to go to the dealer lol. Fuck the modern car / tractor / tools. I blame the people for that, we went from customer that demanded to be able to repair their stuff to people who are now mechanically illiterate. I'm not sure they would even know how to replace a tire on their Tesla :) That's why manufacturer have all the latitude to do what they do. And that's why it didn't go very far with farmers. |
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| ▲ | mikestorrent 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > It said to go to the dealer lol. It's amazing we let it slip this far. Even cars from a decade or so ago feel much more repairable. I bought an EV and I haven't even seen the motor yet, because I'm going to have to dismantle a bunch of plastic-clipped stuff to remove the frunk, and I've broken enough brittle tabs for one lifetime. God forbid they'd just use actual metal fasteners for this stuff. |
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| ▲ | uticus 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The air filter was basically a shisha-pipe that bubbled the incoming air through wire wool and engine oil. What is a shisha-pipe? |
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| ▲ | userbinator 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| with a spanner in one hand and YouTube into the other There are so many useful videos on this stuff, but unfortunately the majority of the population still seems reluctant to learn. |
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| ▲ | stronglikedan 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm not sure the majority of the population will ever need, or even want, to learn to bleed fuel lines, so I wouldn't consider it reluctance. And I would wager that the majority of the (internet) population does engage in learning activities on the regular. | |
| ▲ | lachlan_gray 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tangential, but made me think of this YouTube channel I like. I have no plans to own a tractor but for some reason many others and I enjoy videos like this one: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pQO-pVxvKvA | | | |
| ▲ | m463 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think this kind of thing is much more commonplace than you think. Never underestimate a young person and their phone. They not only use youtube or chatgpt to solve daily problems, but date, pay bills, and communicate with their friends using mostly videos/photos/emojis (and occasionally english). |
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| ▲ | ThaDood 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I shamefully have some Facebook Marketplace notifications for some Massy tractors. I'd love one. I don't even have land to use them, I just think they are neat. |
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| ▲ | c0decracker 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| One of my early memories was driving a tractor like this hauling potato harvest with my late grandfather when his "big" tractor wouldn't start. Feels like a 1000 years ago... |
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| ▲ | mitchell_h 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I imagine the clutch is easier on the knees these days!
Modern tractors don't really have a clutch. I mean they sorta do, but it's electronic. Even on sizable consumer positioned tractors(I have a JD 5055, but it applies to almost all the JD models), there's just a lever for forward, N, and reverse. Gear shifters work MUCH MUCH better now. |
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| ▲ | awesome_dude 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | When I was younger I absolutely HATED changing gear on the tractor - it was a matter of dropping the revs which caused a dive, then a clunk finding the gear, then a jolt as the gear took hold and the revs came back up I never felt in control of that old beast |
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| ▲ | bombcar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You'll likely appreciate this then: https://farmboymusic.bandcamp.com/track/we-couldnt-start-the... |
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| ▲ | m463 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I remember when I was young seeing a combine that had a radio and television in the cab. wow! Now things have wrapped back around, and nobody would want that, they want less tech and to use their phone, lol. |
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| ▲ | all2 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| My father still has one of these in orange and white. I remember when I was a little child and he would start it up, I could feel the concussion of the exhaust in my chest. An awesome memory. Lovely things, these. |
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| ▲ | temp03030 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Those are so cool. First motorized thing I ever drove was some 1950s Ford tractor, as a little kid. My uncle showed me how to use it. I almost had to stand with both feet on the clutch and pull myself up to release it, while my brother manned the wheel and throttle separately. |
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| ▲ | mrexroad 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| While I love wrenching on cars, I imagine a tractor like this would scratch a different itch—something more latent, leftover from childhood. Do you still have the Massy? |
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| ▲ | adamcharnock 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I do, but a friend is taking care of the farm now. I moved back to the big city lights (Munich, as fate would have it). |
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| ▲ | mothballed 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The smaller tractors now mostly use a hydrostatic transmission instead of a clutch[]. You just move a plate that changes the mechanical advantage of the engine powered hydraulic drive. It's basically another set of hydraulics but for driving the tractor. [] https://youtu.be/TunlPGZ3UOg?t=69 |
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| ▲ | ErroneousBosh 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I loved the MF 135 my neighbour had. It was great. The injector pump had failed and we'd swapped it with one off a marine version of the Perkins AD3, which had a reasonably "opened up" governor on it. Flat it out could do a whopping 20mph! |
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| ▲ | malfist 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > no fancy technology in it at all It's amazing we can use huge machinery with internal combustion engines and declare it "no fancy technology" |
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| ▲ | abdullahkhalids 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Any technology from before the time of your grandparents, and often parents, is usually perceived to be "not fancy". Because then those elders can't tell you in your childhood what life was like before that technology. So in your lived experience that technology was always there. Reading history later on, doesn't change your emotional experiences. | | |
| ▲ | WarmWash 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Freeze LLM progress right here and the future is still totally inconcievable. Humans who have only ever known being able to talk to machines... | | |
| ▲ | pocksuppet 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's already inconceivable since today's teenagers have never not had an iPad. |
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| ▲ | MrMetric 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | An internal combustion engine may be complex, but it's not fancy. I can see and touch and understand every part of it. I can maintain and modify and repair it. This is not true for fancy electronics and certainly not locked-down proprietary firmware. | | |
| ▲ | WarmWash 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | The magic of an engine is less in how it operates, and more in how it was built. At least around the time they started showing up, manufacturing lots of precision metal parts was not trivial. Although modern electronics take this further, with both operation and construction being utterly complex. | | |
| ▲ | organsnyder 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | One of my vehicles is a 2009 Civic. It continues to amaze me that with minimal maintenance, that 17-year-old vehicle will fire right up with the turn of a key, with hundreds (thousands?) of parts moving in a specific way, many of them with tolerances in tiny fractions of an inch. |
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| ▲ | efskap 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Any sufficiently mundane technology is indistinguishable from... furniture? | | | |
| ▲ | lelanthran 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe it is fancy to you now, but with a few primitive hand tools and no docs at all, a HS graduate can take it apart and figure out how it works. Try doing the same on the ECU in your car. I'll wait. | | |
| ▲ | WalterBright 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I learned how engines worked by taking apart, cleaning and reassembling an ancient lawnmower engine so I could use it on my go-kart. I then learned how cars worked by taking one apart and putting it back together again. Neither of those machines had a transistor in them. It was all basic electricity. | |
| ▲ | dylan604 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > HS graduate can take it apart and figure out how it works. Sure you wouldn't like a qualifier on that? I've definitely met some HS graduates that would not be able to do this. | | |
| ▲ | lelanthran 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Wait a few years and no HD will be able to do something similar. See other story on front page right now: educational scores are trending down and that trend is only going to accelerate now that every student is using LLMs. |
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| ▲ | throwaway27448 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We also don't call a hoe fancy technology, but it is. | | |
| ▲ | malfist 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know about you, but my mother is definitely not technology |
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| ▲ | adamcharnock 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yeah, I was introspecting as I wrote that! |
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