I'd love this. I really don't want my car to be an iPhone with "apps" and random background software on it. The car touchscreen was perhaps the worst design choice in the history of the automobile, and is likely the cause of countless crashes. It's insane when I see car UIs that have the 'cancel / go back' button located in DIFFERENT areas depending on the screen context.

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hypercube33 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I favor my 2018 car with knobs and buttons but has car and android auto and a modern turbo inline 4...just wish it had metal valve covers and coolant joints instead of crappy plastic...

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throwaway85825 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The irony is cars got screens largely due to the backup camera mandate which was intended to be a safety feature. Governments are very bad at understanding unintended consequences.

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fineIllregister 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

- The mandate is for rear visibility. Car manufacturers choose to implement it with the back-up camera. Beyond that, it's obviously safer to be able to see everything behind the vehicle.

- My vehicle has a backup camera with a screen, but has physical buttons for all controls (A/C, audio system). There's no reason cars can't have both.

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rootusrootus 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The mandate is for rear visibility

Specifically, 10 feet by 20 feet directly behind the vehicle. I'm actually curious how this could be achieved with only mirrors. That's a pretty big swath for anything with a viewpoint where the driver is sitting.

> My vehicle has a backup camera with a screen

Early implementations just used a screen in the rearview mirror. No need for any kind of infotainment screen.

	▲	throwaway85825 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		In rear view mirror display is mostly just on GM products.

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throwaway85825 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When it already has a screen it's much cheaper to get rid of the buttons then. The screen as a requirement is priced in whereas the buttons are not and thus cut.

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sparrc 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A screen for the backup camera doesn't necessarily mean everything has to be through the screen at all.

Most Toyotas I've seen have a screen for the backup camera and the carplay/music/gps console, but everything else is still knobs and buttons.

This is true on both my 2013 and 2026 Toyotas.

	▲	Pfhortune 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Also true on my 2020 RAV4 and 2025 Tacoma. I tried a 2025 Ford Maverick for a year before I traded it for the Tacoma. All the AC/Heat/Etc controls were on the screen. Couldn't stand it. Put me off of ever considering a new Ford again.

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brokencode 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you suggesting that governments shouldn’t require safety features because car manufacturers might implement them badly?

	▲	throwaway85825 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		The EPA push for fuel efficiency made it easier to hit targets by selling huge trucks instead of small cars. There is a value in safety regulation but the incentives as legislated have led to negative results. It needs to be fixed or repealed. Not sure there's a clean solution here.