| ▲ | maeln 5 hours ago |
| We should always take marketing number with a huge grain of salt, so the 10 to 98% in 7 minutes remain to be seen. Also, there is the question of if it lowers the battery lifespan faster than charging at lower power. It is does, there might still be a point in battery swap, especially for public transport systems (for bus). A public transit operator might want to have more battery than vehicle, so that they can rotate the battery regularly and charge them at lower power, to diminish and distribute the wear on battery. But that's obviously a big if and a more niche usage. |
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| ▲ | xbmcuser 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| the life span stat with the current battery tech is mostly useless for a normal car. 300 mile range most people will need to top up 2 times a week 100 times a year 1000 times in 10 years. The battery degradation is not that bad in the first place. |
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| ▲ | antonkochubey 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | First, with range decreasing, number of charge cycles per mile, and therefore rate of wear, will increase. Second, average age of car on the road is above 10 years in most countries; and those that drive old cars definitely do not have €26,500* spare to swap their EV's battery for a new one. *That's what Audi charges here for e-tron 50 battery replacement, which are already starting to fail for many owners | | |
| ▲ | xbmcuser 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Western car manufactures scamming their customer should not be what you look at for costs. Batteries pack costs have gone from $130-150/kwh in 2023 $80-90/kwh in 2026. Price for a pack will likely be under $50/kwh in another 3-4 years. Ie battery packs are becoming competitive with engines already and will be cheaper by 30-40% ie replacing a battery will be cheaper than replacing an engine/ | | |
| ▲ | antonkochubey an hour ago | parent [-] | | No car manufacturer actually sells battery packs for $80-90/kWh or anywhere near that. That's what it costs THEM, not service customers. |
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| ▲ | SideburnsOfDoom 20 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > First, with range decreasing, number of charge cycles per mile, and therefore rate of wear, will increase. By 10% over 10 years, assuming the worst case of nothing but ultra-fast charging. This seems minor. Old cheaper cars could be 10% less convenient to use for very long trips. This should not shock anyone. Rather than an expensive battery swap, sell it on at a lower price to someone who doesn't need 100% range. |
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| ▲ | SideburnsOfDoom 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > most people will need to top up 2 times a week 100 times a year 1000 times in 10 years. When it comes to as-fast-as-possible charging, I think you can divide that number by at least 10. Slow charging while parked overnight or during the day should still be the most common case by far for most users. Very fast charging is important for road trips, but it is not the usual case. | | |
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| ▲ | SideburnsOfDoom 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > Also, there is the question of if it lowers the battery lifespan faster than charging at lower power. This kind of fast-as-possible charging rather than overnight or "while parked at the mall for hours" slow charging should be the exception rather than the rule, i.e. it is useful when road-tripping long-distance, but is not not the daily case. Battery lifespan should not be based on assuming that it's the only thing that you ever do. |
