Do you think that the social climbers who approved these obviously crappy projects learned anything?

I have worked with all levels of engineers who come into a project glassy eyed about some technology, sure, but if you are part of the team approving a project and you cant produce a realistic budget then your management is bogus as hell.

I have worked on a ton of these vanity projects, and when I voice my concerns its clear nobody is out to learn anything, they are here to look good and avoid looking bad, that's about it.

Get some articles published, go to some conferences, get a new job with a new title somewhere else, laugh on your way out.

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pc86 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Do you think that the social climbers who approved these obviously crappy projects learned anything?

Just the framing of this question makes it seem like you simply don't like people in management / decision-makers, and you want something bad to happen to them. Maybe that's wrong, hopefully it is, but the rest of the comment doesn't do much to dissuade me of that impression either.

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Aurornis 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Cutting down anyone who gets a promotion or finds success is a culture in itself (see Tall Poppies Syndrome for example). Factual accuracy is not a concern, they only want to be angry at people in higher positions.

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hilariously 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Something bad to happen to "them"? There's no diaphanous them, just the specific social climbing crap decision makers facing no consequences of any type.

I have worked with many hard working and caring managers, and they are generally eclipsed by said social climbers presenting at conferences every other week about know-nothing topics jumping from place to place leaving bankrupt companies and massive layoffs in their wake.

I see them posting on LI right now :)

	▲	ljm an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Why are you thinking more about the people that piss you off than the ones that you consider hard working and caring? You have a massive chip on your shoulder, dare I say that's why you've had many caring managers and now you're seeing them all as 'social climbers'. Did one manager call you out on something and you torched the entire thing?
	▲	tclancy an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>There's no diaphanous them Autocorrect mistake? I doubt anyone was imaging semi-transparent beings wafting gently in a summer breeze. So what would you call your alternative to blameless postmortems? FWIW, "walking the plank" is already in use.

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simonw 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've certainly learned a great deal from my own crap glassy-eyed decisions throughout my career.