Yeah, this is crazy, remember when engineers were actually engineers and that meant something? Imagine asking to install spyware on your lawyers' firms' company laptops because you didn't trust them not to make some deal with the judge. Or demanding 24 hour monitoring on everything a doctor does because you need to review the footage at any time.

EDIT: While we are here, let's do this for politicians as well :), publicly available, auditable 24-hour surveillance.

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vrc 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Of the examples you listed, politicians are the only ones you directly fund and supposedly work for you. Your lawyers and doctors aren’t your employees, and they also don’t work on your property (though lawyers might handle your documents). The biggest thing this points to is that the mask is almost entirely off between employee-employer relationships in the US, and it looks like by ensuring everyone depended on employment for insurance before turning this corner, there’s not much resistance left.

	▲	sho_hn 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This is why a worker's rights movement is important. You shouldn't have to rely on your employer's goodwill. Reasonable privacy rights on work equipment should be guaranteed by law, and any large company should have a Euro-style worker's council. The legal environment is the only way to baseline behavior. In countries with strong worker's rights, you generally don't have to fight much to make use of them; it's the norm for management, too. Likewise, the US-style norm of having no expectations toward your employer and the "stay in your lane" type takes rampant in the thread are also symptoms of the environment and its norms.

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avaer an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> let's do this for politicians as well :), publicly available, auditable 24-hour surveillance

Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled.

Yes, it should literally be the opposite -- with power should come accountability. But that's not how these things work in practice.

	▲	Avicebron 39 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> Politicians will be the first to carve out exceptions for themselves for reasons of "security" while everyone else is surveilled. Well good thing we can just not vote for anyone and/or remove anyone who tries to take this stance. It's not like they are appointed by God.

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lazide 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Notably, I’ve had several lawyers sell me out. It’s not the emails, but the phone calls you need to worry about.

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leetrout 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Can add any detail to "sell you out"? Was it explicit violation of expected privacy of the conversation?

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lazide 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Active conspiracy with opposing counsel to drag it out, avoid obvious resolutions, etc.

Extremely common with divorce attorneys - and labor law.

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avaer 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That sounds actionable if your lawyer (that you're paying) isn't actually working for you.

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gerdesj 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Do you have proof or at least some evidence?

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to11mtm 2 hours ago | parent [-]

.... I'm not the person you're asking but I can give curious anecdata on a home purchase....

When I bought my home, I had a purchase agreement that said 'I will pay up to 1500$ cash if the property assesses for less than X' (X being the amount I told the realtor I was willing to pay.)

And the property happened to assess EXACTLY for X.

Collusion in markets is nothing new, and even when we regulate people find ways around it.

It is very telling especially in light of the Palantir manifesto, that all of this technology is being applied against individuals instead of towards ensuring business compliance.

	▲	gerdesj 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Hmmm. Property purchase agreements are rather different in your neck of the woods than mine! Here (UK) we do have a bit of variety, thanks to devolution and bloody mindedness. I'm talking about English here (possibly Welsh too), rather than British (England + Wales + Scotland) or even UK (England + Wales + Northern Ireland). Wales is actually a bit more complicated than that but let's keep it simple. Here (England), you advertise a house price and invite buyers. You generally engage one or more estate agents (realtors) I think it is called an "invitation to treat" in legal terms. ... negotiations ... Once a price is "agreed", contracts are drawn up by both sides and "exchanged". When the exchanged contracts are both accepted, then the contract is binding on both sides. Basically: the Buyer will Buy and the Seller will Sell etc. I think the US is fairly similar in that you do have to agree to something before it becomes a binding agreement.

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uejfiweun 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How do you mean? They violated attorney-client privelege?