| ▲ | sega_sai 6 hours ago |
| The problem is that there is not enough infrastructure for EVs. If you can't charge at home (e.g. you live in a flat), it is hard to live with an EV and it's much more expensive than the ICE. |
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| ▲ | boznz 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I had a rental EV while I was there for 6 weeks last summer, it was a pretty low spec jeep model and I stayed at mates places all over England none of which had parking or charging, to tell the truth charging was a bit spotty in town, but if I was just going around the local area the battery was good for a week or more. My take away was I would definitely rent an EV again, but a lot of the older charging infrastructure still sucks, under-provisioned at peak times, and cost 2-3 times what a similar charge would cost here in NZ. I ended up doing most of my charging at the Tesla superchargers on the motorways and at supermarkets in town. I did 2900 miles total and it was about the same cost as petrol in the end, but worth it as the EV was cheaper to rent and was automatic (which renters charge a premium in UK) Not sure fast charging all the time is good for battery life though. 99% of my driving in NZ is on a normal 10A overnight charge |
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| ▲ | sigio 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Local government can quickly change that, if they get their act together. Here in the Hague, there's literally thousands of public chargers available on the city's residential streets. Coupled with the fact that the charging-price is city-mandated at a fixed rate (currently around 35ct/kwh), this gives a perfectly fine solution for most people. (I can charge at home, for 20ct/kwh currently, so that's even nicer) |
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| ▲ | throwaway85825 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | 35ct/kwh is highway robbery. | | |
| ▲ | Sayrus 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not sure what country you're from but in France it's not rare to see 0.30-0.60€ per kWh and even requiring a subscription on top of that. | |
| ▲ | m463 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | would be nice if california had such discounted prices... :) | | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Jesus, I had no idea California was that bad. How is that even possible? Our rate is 15c/kwh. | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > How is that even possible? It's PG&E for the most part, and their huge liability payout for burning a city to the ground due to skipping maintenance on their distribution lines. Some places in California have prices closer to the US average. | | |
| ▲ | coryrc 8 minutes ago | parent [-] | | And not enough share on the people who built on a tinderbox which historically regularly (every few years) had fires go through. |
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| ▲ | gib444 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not in the UK. Local governments (councils) are going bankrupt and are saddled with an overwhelming burden to pay for adult and child social care. There's no money for much else |
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| ▲ | teamonkey 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s getting better. https://transportandenergy.com/2026/04/16/42-of-councils-to-... |
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| ▲ | throwaway85825 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Governments would do better to try to fix the bureaucracy around installing L2 chargers in shared living spaces. It's a problem they created and it should be on them to fix. But it guess that's harder than impossible mandates and high EV taxes. |
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| ▲ | tshaddox 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can't fill up your gas tank at home or at work, which is presumably where a significant portion of EV drivers charge their cars. |
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| ▲ | znkynz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | There are many, many homes in the UK with no garaging, where cars are parked in non-reserved spaces on the street overnight. | | |
| ▲ | AnthonyMouse 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | If a significant percentage of cars start to become EVs then spaces where people regularly park overnight will get chargers because it will allow whoever is operating them to make a bit of money selling electricity. You don't have to be making a huge profit margin to make it worth your while to have people passively buying ~200kWh/month of electricity from you. The same applies to workplaces, especially if solar causes electricity to cost less during daylight hours, and then it becomes convenient to get an EV if there is a charger where you park at night or where you park during the day. | | |
| ▲ | znkynz 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | that would depend on the infrastucture cost to install such charging and to maintain it? This is kerbside slow charging presumably overnight. Note that spaces in these residental areas are typically not even marked spaces; the worst outcome might be losing more footpath space to charging infra for road users. | | |
| ▲ | nicoburns 34 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Non-fast chargers aren't very big. They can be installed in lampposts, or in lampost-diameter boxes sunk into the pavement (with the socket sticking out at the top) | |
| ▲ | JumpCrisscross 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > would depend on the infrastucture cost to install such charging and to maintain it? The UK runs on 240V. A regular outlet would probably be fine. |
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| ▲ | cogman10 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In the UK? Nah. Electricity is expensive in the UK (~25p/kWh) But not gas car expensive. It is £1.57/L (£5.94/gallon). The EV infrastructure is also pretty dang far along, especially compared to the US. Remember that everything in the UK is a lot smaller and closer together than it is in the US. Further, the UK has a functional train system for long distance travel. You can go from the top of Dunnet Head to Lizard Point in a 15 hour drive. People downvoting me, Look up chargers in plugshare to see just how many there are in the UK, it's a lot. And also correct my math if it's wrong. An 80kWh car costs £20 to fill up. A 55L car, which has about the same range, costs £85 to fill up. |
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| ▲ | teamonkey 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Also if you are able to charge at home you can subscribe to a smart tariff that gives you electricity for 4p/kWh overnight. That’s £3.20 to fill an 80kWh battery that on a modern car will take you up to 320 miles. | |
| ▲ | throwaway85825 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Functional train system" is not how anyone would describe the UK. It's cheaper to fly than take the train. Cost to fill up doesnt matter, only the cost per mile. | | |
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| ▲ | hunterpayne 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The problem isn't infrastructure. Its the amount of Li in reserve. |
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| ▲ | pstuart 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Another problem is that fuel taxes are a reasonably equitable means of paying for the roads, and EVs don't have that -- the closest would be vehicle miles * weight or some such. |
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| ▲ | DangitBobby 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Fuel taxes don't seem to take into account the quartic scaling of damage by vehicle weight on pavement. | | |
| ▲ | Detrytus an hour ago | parent [-] | | Well, if they did then EVs would pay more, since they are much heavier., because of, you know, the batteries. | | |
| ▲ | rootusrootus a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | [delayed] | |
| ▲ | DangitBobby an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | At least in the US, EVs are not heavier than the average driver's vehicle, though they are heavier than other vehicles in their class. And practically all consumer vehicles are nothing compared to semi trucks. |
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| ▲ | dalyons 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And that will never change? |