> Immature maybe

Yeah, that’s the issue. I don’t want people who behave immaturely, impulsively, or vindictively, having a key role in something as important as my phone os. I want stability, maturity, and thoughtfulness.

▲ HybridStatAnim8 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

That is what CopperheadOS, and now GrapheneOS, provides. Its a level of "battle tested" that most OS and app devs never have the opportunity to have. Deleting the signing keys during a hostile takeover attempt rather than submitting to pressure or greed is an amazing quality that is rare to find. Nobody behaved or is behaving immaturely, impulsively, or vindictively.

▲ exceptione 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Understandable wishes, but you might have to put something from yourself into it if this is a pressing concern. Or you will be left to your own corporate devices.

▲ kennywinker 3 hours ago | parent [-]

What exactly are you suggesting? If i go help out at the graphene os project, that won’t change their leadership. Should I make my own fork?

▲ exceptione 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The GOS (GrapheneOS) lead had responded to criticisms like yours that he gladly retreats inside his tech role if others would take it upon them to refute the claims from rivals. So if you are that balanced, normal person, you could take that work out of his hands. Or help fund a full time PR person.

«In 2018, matters between Micay and Donaldson came to a head over Donaldson’s desire to pursue business deals with criminal organizations, and his attempts to compromise the security of CopperheadOS, including by proposing license enforcement and remote updating systems that would allow third-parties to have access to users’ phones. As part of this process, Donaldson began to demand that Micay provide Donaldson with the “signing keys” - i.e. the credentials required to verify the authenticity of releases of CopperheadOS. Donaldson advised that, in order to secure certain new business, potential customers required access to the Keys.»

Micay is rightfully paranoia, just having a GOS phone makes some government agencies quite mad. There are many ways a project like GOS could die, disinformation could certainly kill it. Other projects don't help the case if they throw mud at it. Rather, they should focus on their real technical shortcomings, but such articles aren't written somehow. https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

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  > Should I make my own fork?

You could contact him to offer your help where he falls short.

	▲	HybridStatAnim8 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Micay is not paranoid. Paranoia implies unsubstantiated fear. But they acted responsibly under pressure and the project is upfront with what happened to the public and to journalists alike.

▲ goodpoint an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Then avoid GrapheneOS

▲ cf100clunk 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Mental health and wellness issues in high tech research and development are everywhere. I would suggest that you focus on the product and what it can/cannot do for you.

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kennywinker 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Suggest away. It’s still a factor in my decision making, because if I can’t trust the developers to behave well, i can’t trust the product to continue to do what it says it can do for me.

	▲	HybridStatAnim8 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		They have proven to "behave well" for years. Destroying the signing keys in the midst of a hostile takeover is the responsible thing to do. Its for the safety of their users. Thats a commendable trait to have.

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HybridStatAnim8 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

None of the GrapheneOS development team is mentally ill or unwell.

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goodpoint 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When you have to trust the OS images generated by the authors it becomes a massive issue.

	▲	HybridStatAnim8 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		You always trust the developers of software. The only way to stop that is to not use the software.

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joyous_limes 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲ rigonkulous 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The path to maturity requires immaturity.