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| ▲ | sosomoxie 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Actually the IDF did that. | |
| ▲ | netsharc 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | On the flip side you've either been propagandized to find the slaughter of civilians acceptable ("they were warned!", "they sympathize anyway", etc, etc) or you're doing the propagandizing yourself. Maybe towards yourself, so that you can continue to believe that your defense of said genocide is the right thing. | |
| ▲ | atwrk 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean the share of civilians killed in the war (by Israel) is over 80 percent of the total casualties. That is worse than the rate in WW2. In Ukraine it's under 5%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war | | |
| ▲ | hollerith 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | I deplore current Israeli policies, but Ukraine isn't disguising its war fighters as civilians like Hamas is, which is an important qualifier to your numbers. | | |
| ▲ | atwrk 18 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | But Russia is doing exactly that systematically for years now, disguising as civilians. I'm also pretty sure Hamas isn't disguising themselves as children, who make up the largest share of the civilian victims. | | |
| ▲ | boxed 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > I'm also pretty sure Hamas isn't disguising themselves as children, who make up the largest share of the civilian victims. Even the very slanted wikipedia article doesn't claim such a crazy thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war They do claim everyone under the age of 18 to be a "child", which I know is the UN definition, but is pretty absurd in this situation with Hamas fighters of 15, 16, and 17 years of age being very common. | |
| ▲ | hollerith 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Someone said that Russia has conducted its invasion in a way as to keep civilian casualties to only 5% of Ukrainian casualties. In evaluating that number, it is relevant that Russia's task is made easier by Ukraine's adherence to the widely accepted principle that a war fighter should wear the uniform of the side he is fighting for. In contrast, for the purposes of this thread, it is irrelevant that "Russia is doing exactly that systematically for years now, disguising as civilians" (to quote you). This isn't a contest to see how many negative things we can say about the Russians or the Israelis. Or at least that is not a coversation I would be interested in. I think Israel's actions since Oct 2023 have been deplorable and disgusting. But that doesn't mean I am interested in no nuance at all in discussing how deplorable and disgusting. |
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| ▲ | throwaway27448 17 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't see how that's relevant, nor why such a distinction matters in such an asymmetric conflict where international law clearly allows for violent resistance to occupation. | |
| ▲ | sosomoxie 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | School children aren’t “disguised Hamas”. |
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| ▲ | ahhhhnoooo 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Right, it's not constrained to Gaza. The genocide against Palestinian people is occurring across the nation of Israel. | | |
| ▲ | boxed 18 hours ago | parent [-] | | Palestinian muslim arabs are 20% of Israels population. Remind me how many percent of Palestine, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, are Jewish? This is the worst genocide ever. They even have representation in Knesset. They serve in the IDF. | | |
| ▲ | ahhhhnoooo 17 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can tell you are unable to approach this topic rationally. No one made the claim this is the worse genocide ever. It does not need to rise to that bar to be a genocide. Your hyperbole is not a good faith effort to discuss the topic. And the whataboutism is a deflection. Genocide is bad everywhere it's occurring. Right now it's occurring in many places, one of which is within Israel/Palestine. If you believe it's also happening elsewhere, we should condemn those as well, not absolve the actions of Netanyahu. | | |
| ▲ | boxed an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Your hyperbole is not a good faith effort to discuss the topic I mean.. I think the same about your continued use of the word "genocide" in this war. Israel is fighting a war with human shields being explicitly used basically 100% of the time. Hamas fires missiles from inside refugee camps, and shooting AKs from behind children. Hamas is committing a war crime almost every time they attack at all. They built a tunnel system that could house their entire civilian population, but if a civilian tried to take shelter Hamas shoots them. Civilian casualties was always the goal for Hamas, because the west is predictably fooled by it. |
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| ▲ | newspaper1 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Palestinians,Lebanese and Iranians (of all religions) represent 100% of the victims of Israel’s genocide. |
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