| ▲ | mentalgear 2 days ago |
| Hopefully the Neo is the beginning of Apple making useful and affordable products for all users, instead of walling their garden to squeeze out every last penny via Cook's 'premium'-upwards-screwdriver tactics ... the history of market-dynamics suggests otherwise, but let's hope and wait there's a mindset change as well. |
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| ▲ | dash2 2 days ago | parent | next [-] |
| I think it might be the opposite. You make cheap products for everybody because you are going to make money off subscriptions. Personally, I think it's a reasonable strategy, but it might mean they lose their focus on high-end craftsmanship. |
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| ▲ | ezst 2 days ago | parent [-] | | > craftsmanship What marketing does to people | | |
| ▲ | alsetmusic 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | >> craftsmanship > What marketing does to people I'm sorry, are my MacBooks Pro, Air, and (my spouse's) Neo not some of the best built laptops you can buy? Maybe there's something better, but these are inarguably some of the best. Absolute top of the line. See the Verge (I think) reviewing similarly priced laptops priced around the Neo. They were plastic crap, even if they had better specs elsewhere. | |
| ▲ | dahcryn 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | the M line of macbook pro's are beautiful, well crafted, long lasting machines. MacOS might not be your preferred way of working, and you might prefer cheaper options or USB-A ports, but there is really nothing you could arguably call bad craftmanship in those machines. | | |
| ▲ | inatreecrown2 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | >> nothing you could arguably call bad craftmanship in those machines my 2 bad craftsmanship cents: laptop keyboard leaves marks on screen.
laptop's sharp edges leaves marks on wrists. | | |
| ▲ | alsetmusic 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | > laptop keyboard leaves marks on screen. I don't think this has been a thing in years. Sharp edges on wrists is true. | | |
| ▲ | CamouflagedKiwi 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | It definitely is a thing on my M2. Unsure if it is something that was fixed in the later models. My wrists, conversely, are fine, but I suppose I rarely use it in a 'classic' desk position that would cause that. | |
| ▲ | hrimfaxi 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | My 2023 MBP's keyboard leaves marks on the screen while closed. |
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| ▲ | k12sosse 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | ..from the company that brought you "You're holding it wrong", not just bad but dumb |
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| ▲ | rpdillon 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In addition to the sibling comment, I would point out the touch bar was poor craftsmanship and the butterfly keyboard was also poor craftsmanship. They both are addressed now, but there were several years where we had to live with them. Their software craftsmanship has really suffered in the last 10 years. | | |
| ▲ | naravara 2 days ago | parent [-] | | I thought the touchbar was pretty neat, it was just a mistake to replace the function row with them. It also was hard to get adoption because it wasn’t available on desktop Macs or their cheaper laptops so developers had no incentive to really do anything interesting with them. I think a better implementation might have been to have it be an alternate mode for the trackpad and sell external trackpads that also had it so it could be used everywhere. But I get why that didn’t happen, the touchbar was basically being run with a mini Apple Watch SOC built into the MacBook Pro, and it’s primary use was to have the Secure Enclave on it. The touchbar itself was a deal where they could find a use for having an otherwise idle smartwatch’s worth of computing power in there, but that wouldn’t be doable if it’s sold as an external device. |
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| ▲ | diegolas 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | they're very well designed and built products, craftmanship is something else. | | | |
| ▲ | hansvm 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, they're not bad, but they have spicy chargers, the corners are uncomfortably sharp, the keyboard often doesn't register, the LCD is prone to vertical bars and other issues even without physical damage and is extremely sensitive to bumps and other minor damage elsewhere on the laptop (not even the display itself), and so on. | | |
| ▲ | pxc 2 days ago | parent [-] | | Some of these are consequences of what makes them feel "premium" or even "solid". Aluminum is a terrible material for bumps and drops because it dents, and that often damages the internal components. |
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| ▲ | ecshafer 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've never bought a Mac, I have used them for work. They are the best built laptops on the market, bar none. Too bad their OS is awful. Its not just marketing. | |
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| ▲ | sumedh 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Have you used Windows? | | |
| ▲ | kombine 2 days ago | parent [-] | | what does Windows have to do with this? It sucks as much as MacOS |
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| ▲ | doodledoodahs 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you actually looked at apple products and compared them to the competition? The different in quality of finish is really stark in my experience. Some other manufacturers have some products which have some nice features. Whatever you think of the software or ecosystem, almost Apple hardware is just nicely made. |
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| ▲ | linhns 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Neo is a good product, but they're making their better products (Macs) more out of reach for a whole class of customers. |
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| ▲ | pwthornton 2 days ago | parent | next [-] | | Is that really true? The price of Macs today is far lower than it used to be when adjusted for inflation. I know this is true of all computers, but you can get a really good Mac computer without spending a lot of money, historically speaking. The Macbook Air, the best computer for most people, starts at $1099. I paid something like $2,700 for my computer, which I brought to college in 2002. That's about $5,000 in today's money. | |
| ▲ | JoshTko 2 days ago | parent | prev [-] | | Mac Mini is a stellar product... |
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| ▲ | netdevphoenix 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > making useful and affordable products for all users, Affordable, ethical. You can only choose one. |
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| ▲ | mentalgear 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Interesting, but is Apple as ethical yet as its premium price point could suggest? Fairphone (material sourcing) and Framework (repairability) would suggest otherwise. |
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| ▲ | keepamovin a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Honestly i think it will bifurcate. More Neo more high end |
