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rhcom2 18 hours ago

I think you could argue the draft forced the war to be real for more families (and the expansion of TV), intensifying the resistance to it. Quick googling says almost 10% of the population served in Vietnam in some capacity. Less than 1% served in the War on Terror.

This was part of Charles Rangel's (D) reasoning to propose bringing back the draft. [1]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_National_Service_Act

dualvariable 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> I think you could argue the draft forced the war to be real for more families (and the expansion of TV), intensifying the resistance to it.

Yeah, it did, all the young men of draft age had to live knowing that they might get drafted and be forced to fight and die. Even if they were never called, or in retrospect were too old at the time.

We seem to have largely forgotten that now, along with the "Vietnam Syndrome" that the US military "suffered" through until we were successful in applying military force in 1991 with the Gulf War.

I almost hope they're successful in doing this. We've also lost the focus on clearly defined objectives for war.

It seems like we need a horrible mess to learn all the hard lessons all over again.

causal 17 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> We've also lost the focus on clearly defined objectives for war.

Are you saying we had this in Vietnam?

And I don't think the evidence is strong that these "hard lessons" did anything to keep that same generation from supporting the pointless wars that followed.

dualvariable 12 hours ago | parent [-]

No, I'm saying we had that in the Gulf War, and we're sliding back to Vietnam.

_doctor_love 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> It seems like we need a horrible mess to learn all the hard lessons all over again.

Indeed. This is all of human history. No matter what the problem is we are infatuated with the idea of the ultimate solution being exterminating everyone who does not agree with our worldview.

nobodyandproud 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

That argument falls flat, when considering regions like the Ukraine that are fighting for survival today.

And when contrasting with earlier times like the Civil War, where a draft was unpopular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrollment_Act

nkrisc 18 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Drafts, and by extension wars, should be unpopular. War should be the last resort that no one wants to take. No one should be cheering for a war they won't have to participate in.

War has become too remote and comfortable for most Americans.

rhcom2 18 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I don't think I follow why your examples contradict the argument. A draft will always be unpopular.

nobodyandproud 11 hours ago | parent [-]

I misread.

I saw the television portion and thought you meant the televised war was what made it all too real.