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simonw 7 hours ago

Accessed via OpenRouter, this one decided to wrap the SVG pelican in HTML with controls for the animation speed: https://gisthost.github.io/?ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669e94...

Transcript and HTML here: https://gist.github.com/simonw/ecaad98efe0f747e27bc0e0ebc669...

FlyingSnake 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

At this point drawing these Pelicans must be in the training data sets.

scosman 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

not if I can help it!

https://github.com/scosman/pelicans_riding_bicycles

wvlia5 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Just a few years ago, this would have been a meaningless repo.

AmbroseBierce 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I hereby certify that these are indeed the most perfect and precise svg depictions of pelican riding a bicycle, also known among biology scholars as pelycles

justinclift 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's truly a wonderful collection of pelicans riding bicycles.

Much Win! ;)

icelancer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

love this adversarial work

ahmadyan an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I love it!

smcleod 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is pretty funny

abustamam 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Could be! Simon wrote about that here though https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-...

BrokenCogs 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes we all know that, but we still like to see the pelicans because it's a tradition more or less

ffsm8 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Clearly not.

I mean the prompt was succinct and clear, as always - and it still decided to hallucinate multiple features (animation + controls) beyond the prompt.

It'd also like to point out that to date no drawing was actually good from an actual quality perspective (as in comparative to what a decent designer would throw together)

Theyre always only "good" from the perspective of it being a one shot low effort prompt. Very little content for training purposes.

nwienert 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The way I’ve come to think of LLM is that what the produce in a single reply even with thinking turned up, is akin to what you’d do in a single short session of work.

And so if you ask it to do something big it will do a very surface level implementation. But if you have it iterate many times, or give it small pieces each time, you’ll end up with something closer to what a human would do.

I imagine the pelican test but done in a harness that has the agents iterate 10+ times would be closer to what you’d expect, especially if a visual model was critiquing each time.

slopinthebag 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yeah, this is how I use AI. Instead of a single session one-shot, it's usually limited to single targeted edits, and then I steer it on each step. Takes longer but the output is actually what I want.

serial_dev 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What does good even mean… I have no idea what a good “pelican on a bike” should look like. It’s a fun prompt because there is no good answers… at least so I thought.

abustamam 31 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah that was exactly Simon's intent. https://simonwillison.net/2025/Nov/13/training-for-pelicans-...

SwellJoe 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We got an overachiever, here. Kimi sounds like a teacher's pet kind of name.

subscribed 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Underappreciated comment

disiplus 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

was part of the beta, its properly good model, in some sense i forgot that im not on opus or gpt. opus is still better. gpt is the one struggling for me. it has some niche in backend work but you can get the same with opus with skills, its lacking in almost all others.

OtomotO 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Funny, for me Opus is struggling since about February.

4.7 made no difference, so for the first time in many moons I am cancelling my subscription.

HarHarVeryFunny 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Too bad they didn't put equal effort into the pelican's legs and feet. Left leg paralyzed and not moving, and right ankle flipping around in alarming fashion!

hn8726 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Genuine question, what's the goal of posting this on almost every single new model thread here on HN? I may be old and grumpy but to me it got old a while ago, and is closer to a low effort Reddit comment

lambda 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's a lighthearted, fun, visual benchmark that's not part of the standard benchmarks; and at least traditionally, it was not something that the labs trained on so it was something of a measure of how well the intelligence of the model generalized. Part of the idea of LLMs is that they pick up general knowledge and reasoning ability, beyond any tasks that they are specifically trained for, from the vast quantity of data that they are trained on.

Of course, a while back there was a Gemini release that I believe specifically called out their ability to produce SVGs, for illustration and diagramming purposes. So it's not longer necessarily the case that the labs aren't training on generating SVGs, and in fact, there's a good chance that even if they're not doing so explicitly, the RLVR process might be generating tasks like that as there is more and more focus on frontend and design in the LLM space. So while they might not be specifically training for a pelican riding a bicycle, they may actually be training on SVG diagram quality.

nickthegreek 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This isn't even a normal pelican image post, this one created the html control system that animates the distance the wing travels from its pivot in time with the rotation of the wheel speed. Let's not pretend this is a solved problem and models are dumping about perfect pelicans on bikes one after another (or ever?).

Surely, you know someone makes the same post you did every time one is posted. Surly you see the answers and pushback since you are familiar with these posts. Genuine question, did you expect a different answer this time?

hamdouni 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe this can help

https://simonwillison.net/2024/Oct/25/pelicans-on-a-bicycle/

hn8726 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It doesn't, I get that it's _a_ benchmark. It's just not a good or insightful one, and having it posted so often on HN feels like low quality spam at this point

walthamstow 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's a great filter for people who take things far too seriously

Strom 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's tradition at this point. Based on the upvotes the comment receives, it looks like many readers find value in it.

hn8726 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Upvotes are cheap, the fact that something is upvoted doesn't mean it's valuable (see: Reddit). Another thing is how insightful is the discussion under a typical pelican comment are (and how much of it is related to the pelican and how often it's just where the general discussion happens).

ascorbic 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It means somebody likes it.

charcircuit 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It could alternatively mean that many readers use Reddit. That doesn't mean that HN should turn into Reddit.

airstrike 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Mashimo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I, for one, find it entertaining.

rolymath 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree I'm of sick of this repetition. It's not even a good test it's so dumb.

wotsdat 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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snendroid-ai 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Agreed! When I see any new model release and then this guy start running over with his stupid "hey guys look over here how this model made the pelicans-on-a-bicycle!" I mean, some are good, some are stupid and some are interesting. But that tells me exactly nothing about the model. It's just feel like this has become the Pete Davidson of the model evaluation. NO ONE CARES!

Mashimo 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Well clearly some people care.