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pbowyer 6 hours ago

What's the privacy/data security like? I can't find that on that page.

Edit: found it.

> We may use your Content to operate, maintain, improve, and develop the Services, to comply with legal obligations, to enforce our policies, and to ensure security. You may opt out of allowing your Content to be used for model improvement and research purposes by contacting us at membership@moonshot.ai. We will honor your choice in accordance with applicable law.

Section 3 of https://www.kimi.com/user/agreement/modelUse?version=v2

gpm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> We will honor your choice in accordance with applicable law.

So in other words only if you can point to a local law which requires them to comply with the opt out?

jdasdf 4 hours ago | parent [-]

most laws enforce agreements.

gpm 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes... but the agreement only says they won't train on your data if the law is already preventing them from doing so.

deaux 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yup, they train on your inputs and OpenRouter is complicit by claiming that Moonshot's ToS says that they don't. Contacted OpenRouter about this a while ago and was met with silence because it's bad for their business to stop lying about it.

pixel_popping 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You really rely on ToS from Anthropic/OpenAI to know if they use your prompts or not? It's on their servers, why wouldn't they use our data?