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pjc50 a day ago

Several places also have a "hostile loop":

    - can't get a job without a local bank account
    - can't get a bank account without a residential address
    - can't get a (rented) residential address without proof of employment
    - getting a local phone number may also depend on / be required for any of these steps
There's usually "fixer" services which help people get out of this mess, but it can be a real problem even for 100% legitimate professional class immigrant workers.
lo_zamoyski a day ago | parent [-]

I don't think exceptions or confined bad side effects make for very good arguments against general policy. You wouldn't ban planes, because sometimes they crash. This isn't math. We're not proving that a rule holds for every element of the domain.

pjc50 a day ago | parent [-]

.. unless you're the person to whom the side effects are happening. How many citizens is it acceptable to wrongly deport or debank, potentially without trial?