| ▲ | ericmcer 3 hours ago | |||||||
I never remotely believed this because I don't even believe in a "me" really. One hard hit in the head can literally change your personality entirely, then you have alzheimers and all the other degenerative brain diseases that will erase "you". Even if you avoid all that "you" will be wildly different every 15-20 years. Christianity gets through this by saying you will return to your prime. That just seems kind of childish to me though, like "yeah when you die you and all your friends and family are gonna be 25 and you live in paradise together forever". How do you resolve the idea of an eternal consciousness with the very real and common occurence of people losing their consciousness while they are still alive? | ||||||||
| ▲ | BobbyTables2 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||
I wonder if there even is such a thing as “eternal consciousness” the way people assume. It’s rare for me to remember -aspects of my daily life in dreams. I would think being dead would be a significant hinderance. | ||||||||
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| ▲ | zzrrt an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
I think Christian resurrection at prime usually means having the body of a 25-year old, not the mind. Maybe they'd say the physical brain can corrupt the eternal consciousness's expression while in this life, but it does still raise questions like how will you even recognize the eternal "you" when you've been trapped in a corruptible brain for all that you can remember, and what is the eternal part's worth if it can be corrupted by the brain. (Perhaps Mormonism addresses some of this, saying you lived as "you" unembodied before birth, but are not able to remember for now.) | ||||||||
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| ▲ | LargoLasskhyfv 14 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||
Hrm. I've thought about this a lot and came to the conclusion that we, or rather our brains are just an antenna, 'receiving stuff' from another plane of existence. If you change/destroy parts of the antenna or the 'bioelectronic circuits' the channel fades out, and you get more and more noise, until there is no signal anymore. No more resonance with the frequency of your station. That equals death on this plane. What lead me to this apart from NDE/OOBE are the cases of so called Terminal Lucidity, when old or very sick people die, but regain conciousness in their last moments. In a timeframe from sometimes two to three days before exitus, but mostly just a few dozen seconds to minutes before exitus. The thing is that some of these brains are so rotten and degenerated, that it is impossible according to our current understanding, that these people are even able to do anything coordinated, not to mention speak, and recognizing their loved ones/family, telling them things. And yet this happens again and again, not that often, but it does. While their brains are absolute mush. In a similar vein, there are stories of lost animals like cats and dogs finding their way back to the humans they once lived with. Over long distances like several hundred miles, often after years. That can't happen by random chance. So either they can read signs, and understand our words better than we think, or there are other mechanisms at play. What that is telling about this otherplaneness is uncertain, just that it exists. Probably impossible to gain any certain insights about that, because of wrong cabling, interface, modulation, format, whatever. At best we can just hope to skim the interface, membrane and get a few hazy views from the other side near that membrane, but not that far through it. Maybe there are even other interfaces, membranes, from up there, going on and on, and/or recursing into others. | ||||||||
| ▲ | _DeadFred_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||
Basically if the base reality that we experience through a holographic world/emergent reality has no concept of time, consequence, etc, you have to create a simulation/game with rules that can allow free will to happen, that has a timeline, has consequences. Once setup, those rules apply even if they ruin the simulation experience for some, they are a necessary part of the holographic world/emergent reality serving it's purpose. Sadly, to create an emergent reality that allows free will you have to create a reality that allows suffering and children dying of cancer and Alzheimer's and consequences if you hit someone in the head. But the blow to the head/Alzheimers is nothing different than an alcohol haze one night that goes away in the morning. The you in the underlying lower (higher?) real dimensions doesn't change just because you got drunk/alzheimers/hit on the head in the emergent dimensions/reality/holographic world. Read CS Lewis 'The Problem of Pain' then think about emergent dimensions/holographic worlds being the only way to have our kind of consciousness/self determination/free will/experiential identity if one exists in a underlying dimensional state with no linear time, no physical limitations, etc, and so forth. The emergent reality/holographic world is the 'chess board with clear rules' needed for us to have/experience/pretend to free will from the underlying reality without time or rules. In CS Lewis 'The Problem of Pain', pain sucks, but is needed for this world to do whatever it is supposed to do. Alzheimers, consequences of blows to the head, etc aren't themselves needed but they themselves are emergent from the rules that are needed for 'here' to exist and serve it's purpose. But they are also just part of (or structure for) the holographic/emergent reality, not the true base lower (higher?) reality. Not manic. Just not great at communicating these thoughts. Don't lock me up please. | ||||||||