| Yeah it's a very short-sighted article. Taking a quote like this: > I can’t believe those who seriously try and say America’s value is in consuming. as a case against outsourcing manufacturing really doesn't understand the value that societies create when they are on the forefront of innovation. Maybe, just maybe, at a certain point physical labour is not the best way to use your working population, but instead, you know, services, innovation, etc? America has been doing pretty good in that regard over the past few decades. (For disclosure, I'm not from America, but still think this is a silly article) |
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| ▲ | stingraycharles 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They’re transitioning to the forefront of innovation, but they’re definitely not at the forefront yet. They’re good at implementing things, not yet innovation. They desperately do need to do that, though, because manufacturing alone isn’t going to grow their economy any further, as wages in China are already becoming high enough that they’re becoming less attractive to foreign investors. They’re strategically well positioned to take over the west in the next few decades, but to argue that China is already leaving America et al behind in innovation is silly. If you think that the US is corrupt when it comes to money, and that that’s the only innovation that the US is currently leading in, I heartily invite you to actually explore China. (And I say this as someone who lives in South-East Asia) | |
| ▲ | boxed 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | China is a the forefront of catching up. Don't mistake that for innovation. China isn't building the best chips, that's Taiwan with really Netherlands doing the hard part. China is catching up to European car makers except they've largely caught up to Tesla in the powertrain (I partly blame that on Americans boycotting Tesla for silly political reasons). In the AI space obviously China is just running after playing catch up. Biology, catch up. Chemistry, catch up. Physics, catch up. Where is China leading? | | |
| ▲ | tristanj 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | China is the world leader in Drones, Electric vehicles, Batteries, Solar Panels, Electronics, Robotics, High-Speed Rail, Industrial equipment, Nuclear energy, Telecommunications Equipment, Cameras, Shipbuilding, Scientific research, rapid mobile payments. Tied for AI, Smartphones Semiconductors, rockets, and aerospace are probably the only sectors china is behind in. China is the most technologically advanced society on earth. They are far far ahead of anyone else in using technology to make society easier. Many government services can be handled easily on your phone. | | | |
| ▲ | manfromchina1 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Despite my handle I am not Chinese lest I am accused of harboring any bias. Anyway, I decided to look up what is going on. Apparently, things are nuanced. On the one hand China lags behind when it comes to semiconductors, large commercial aircraft, some pharmaceutical innovation. On the other hand, > When evaluating the top 10 percent of high-quality scientific publications, ASPI finds that China surpasses the United States across all 8 critical technology domains. The gap is particularly pronounced in the energy and environment domain, where China accounts for 46 percent of top-tier publications compared to just 10 percent for the United States. Despite U.S. leadership in AI, China produces more top publications, contributing 30 percent versus 18 percent for the United States[0] Basically, China dominates in batteries, solar, quantum communications, robotics deployment, high-speed rail, nuclear construction, autonomous vehicle deployment, manufacturing process innovation, patent volume in most categories [0] https://itif.org/publications/2025/09/23/how-china-is-outper... | |
| ▲ | b65e8bee43c2ed0 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | >I partly blame that on Americans boycotting Tesla for silly political reasons) China taking over the EV market was always going to happen. for instance, BYD sold (tens of thousands of) their first EV a decade before Musk went from le wholesome space man to le evil nazi man. besides, I don't think being boycotted by the terminally online folx has had much impact. luxury brands just don't do well during a recession, and the market for Tesla - US and Europe - is not doing so good, to put it mildly. | |
| ▲ | dgacmu 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I think it's less about blaming us for boycotting Tesla and more about blaming us for letting our entrenched interests in both oil extraction and ICE cars prevent us from investing in EV development and switching to them faster. | |
| ▲ | justinclift 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is this wrong? https://insideevs.com/features/719015/china-is-ahead-of-west... | |
| ▲ | pferde 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Its owner being a nazi white supremacist is "silly political reason" now? Oh my... | |
| ▲ | adjejmxbdjdn 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I partly blame that on Americans boycotting Tesla for silly political reasons What would be different in Tesla’s output if Americans didn’t start boycotting Tesla less than 2 years ago? And I’m glad you think killing at least half a million kids in Africa to not even save any money, stealing all our social security data, etc are just “silly political reasons”. | | |
| ▲ | boxed 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > What would be different in Tesla’s output if Americans didn’t start boycotting Tesla less than 2 years ago? Car companies do better if they sell cars. They also find it easier to sell cars if owning said car doesn't make you fearful some crazy person will smash it because of identity politics. > And I’m glad you think killing at least half a million kids in Africa to not even save any money, stealing all our social security data, etc are just “silly political reasons”. Oh, I'm not. But hurting Tesla and putting a break on saving the planet will do what exactly? Absolutely jack shit. It's like that story about the guy who made nice Game Boy clones, and people figured out he was an arms dealer originally and started a campaign to boycott the Game Boy clone. What will this accomplish? Destroying someones moral and good business will force them to go back to their evil business. It's counterproductive as hell. | | |
| ▲ | amanaplanacanal 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Allowing chinese vehicles into the US would do more for saving the planet, if that's your goal. | |
| ▲ | Jtarii 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No one forced Elon to kill a million Africans. He could have just like, not done that. | |
| ▲ | watwut 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Tesla is not saving the planet and not necessary to save the planet. The whole idea that this one company must be protected from any competition and fed money and support is absurd. Add to it the years of lies Musk engaged in and his nazi affiliations ... it is tripple absurd. |
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