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Marsymars 3 hours ago

That article also makes it seem like patients in Pakistan are receiving what seems to me like a wildly high number of injections:

> An injection was provided during 53% of patient visits in Rawalpindi and 92% in Tando Allah Yar

> Patients from Tando Allah Yar reported a mean 3.8 visits to a healthcare provider by a member of their household during the previous month, compared to 2.5 by those from Rawalpindi (Table 2). During all such visits, an injection was given. Overall, 56% patients felt that an injection was necessary. Such perceptions were higher in Tando Allah Yar than in Rawalpindi (79% vs. 39%) (Table 2). Providers reciprocated such perceptions in that 44–56% of providers felt that an injection was required for common ailments such as fever, influenza, body aches or diarrhoea.

> Patients expect to receive injections for minor ailments such as fever or influenza-like symptoms and willingly pay for these, on the mistaken belief in the efficacy of injections to overcome common symptoms that eventually abate with time (10). Healthcare providers comply with such wishes and are convinced of the necessity of injections.

> We have previously demonstrated that the total national supply of syringes in Pakistan is sufficient to meet the demand for the ~1.1 billion syringes used annually for immunization, diabetes, laboratory testing and drug administration in clinics or hospitals

On the last point, I did a bit of a search to look for the total number of syringes used worldwide. I'm actually questioning whether that number is using similar methodology to arrive at the ~1.1 billion number, since I'm seeing numbers around 15 billion for the annual number of injections - meaning that Pakistan would be using over double the average per-capita number of syringes (and re-using many of them) while simultaneously having a population that's much younger (23 vs 31 median age) and poorer ($7k vs $26k median PPP/capita) than average.

If those numbers check out, the simple solution would just be to stop giving unnecessary injections, money would be saved, and there'd be no need to reuse syringes.

Aurornis an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> > Patients from Tando Allah Yar reported a mean 3.8 visits to a healthcare provider by a member of their household during the previous month,

This seems like an excessive number of doctor visits, too. I can’t imagine a household where someone is going to the doctor almost every week. 45 doctor visits a year and they’re getting injections (of what?) most of the time?

ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

A similar thing happens in the US; people demand antibiotics for a cold. It’s easier to say yes than to explain the reason it won’t work.

Aurornis an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Antibiotic overprescribing was a problem in the past, but in my experience providers around me are very resistant to giving antibiotics at all.

My doctor’s office even has a big sign in the waiting room saying they don’t prescribe antibiotics for common infections.

The last time I got strep throat the urgent care clinic was resistant to testing me but finally gave in. When it came back positive the doctor acted oddly like he was reluctantly willing to prescribe antibiotics for it.

hgoel 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

My dad in India gets prescribed antibiotics whenever he's sick. Despite my constant explanations, he insists that this is how it should be, because when you're sick your immunity is lowered.

On the other hand, the last time I got prescribed antibiotics was probably almost 10 years ago when I ended up in the hospital from an abscess.

Granted, my dad is old, but that part of the world still seems to expect doctors to do more for a common cold than just tell you to rest for a week and take an acetaminophen or phenylephrine if/when needed (even when that's really all you need).

ButlerianJihad 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

I don’t know how widespread it is, but some people will beg for antibiotics when they definitely have a viral infection.

My friend who always used a naturopath would go on endlessly trying to diagnose herself with viral or bacterial to decide whether she should ask for antibiotics, but I definitely got the point.

I suppose many patients simply don’t know the difference.

shigawire 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is that true or just a rumor? All the family medicine people I know would not do that. Only in a case where it is 50/50 bacterial or viral like an ear infection in a young kid.

kube-system 2 hours ago | parent [-]

There is more effort today to avoid overprescribing antibiotics, but in cases where diagnosis is not certain, most providers will oblige

thayne 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More than that, it's often easier to just prescribe something than to figure out if it is bacterial or viral.

MassiveQuasar an hour ago | parent [-]

Could just prescribe sugar pills then instead of antibiotics for a cold.

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gib444 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

In the UK, nothing is ever bacterial lol

I had a horrible tooth infection that anyone with a nose could tell was a bacterial infection yet I was massively gaslit and denied antibiotics until I went to the hospital at 11pm after a week of horrendous pain

Doctors very rarely do any kind of test in my experience (I would have thought oozing stinking green stuff would have been easy to test...)

dzhiurgis 42 minutes ago | parent [-]

A friend passed away few months ago in London from kidney infection.

UK seems very to be very cautious of over diagnosis, while my experience in Eastern Europe was opposite - my infant received 3 different kinds of steroids (potentially what stunned his growth).

LorenPechtel an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably patient demand for *something*. The problem of antibiotics for viral infection is well known but the problem with needing to do something is far more widespread. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of saline is getting injected.